Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 2

[bonertown]

October 2006.

From all indications, this is the fourth Gyakuten Saiban game - no word on part 2 and 3 other than those getting a release on Verizon cell phones on a monthly basis. Hopefully GS2 and 3 gets a GBA announcement or bundled together in some form.

[Ari Rockefeller]

We need DS versions of 2 and 3...especially of 3 (the flashback case where you take the role of Maya Fey).

[Cherrn]

YES PLZ ON PHOENIX WRIGHT 2 PLZ

[Gustov]

So we're getting this right.

This news is way too fucking good to be true.

[Powling Bin]

Since the 4th Gyakuten Saiban is supposed to star a completely new cast, I doubt theý'd title it "Phoenix Wright 2" here, since he wouldn't be making an appearance anyway.

I guess this is either GS2 with an extra case, or a complilation of GS2 and 3. Hopefully it's the latter, because GS3 had a boss soundtrack and fucking Godot.

[bonertown]

PHOENIX WRIGHT™: ACE ATTORNEY™ JUSTICE FOR ALL

http://www.capcom.com/news/news.xpml?prid=650059

FIFHAHFAH ASFHIOHFF IT'S GS2 FUCK YES FUCK YES FUCK YES

ONLY PROBLEM: Q1 2007

[VeggieH8R]

*POINTS* ...AND THAT JUSTICE WILL BE METED OUT BY MY BIG FAT INDEX FINGER!!!!1

[Cherrn]

So, which one is it?

[ninjakirby]

PHOENIX WRIGHT™: ACE ATTORNEY™ JUSTICE FOR ALL

http://www.capcom.com/news/news.xpml?prid=650059

FIFHAHFAH ASFHIOHFF IT'S GS2 FUCK YES FUCK YES FUCK YES

ONLY PROBLEM: Q1 2007


:DDD

[Hayabusa]

Von Karma's daughter is in it.

Game of the year.

[Smindas]

:D

[RFNR]

I'm confused, this is a translated version of the second Japanese one right?

[bonertown]

It's the second Gyakuten Saiban game, enhanced for the DS.

[Ari Rockefeller]

So this means we can expect another DS-only case like in the first game?

[bonertown]

No, just the four cases like the GBA version. You'll be able to use your stylus and the microphone though.

[Ari Rockefeller]

Phooey. The 5th case in the first (DS) game is the most fun. It's full of an ungodly amount of "WTF?!" moments.

[ninjakirby]

ENGLISH SCREENS (http://ds-gamer.nl/article/3405p1.html)

edit: oh shi- (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5578/e3no054uh.png)

[EvilNeil]

Well she's obviously guilty. Can I recommend the gas chamber?

I'm excited about this. The first one won me over with its boundless charm, character and personality. I expect no less from #2.

[Powling Bin]

So, October '06 or Q1 '07?

[ninjakirby]

So, October '06 or Q1 '07?

Q1 '07 (http://www.capcom.com/news/news.xpml?prid=650059)

[Ari Rockefeller]

ENGLISH SCREENS (http://ds-gamer.nl/article/3405p1.html)

edit: oh shi- (http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5578/e3no054uh.png)
That last link explains why we don't see her in Case 5.

[bonertown]

Trailer (http://www.e3insider.com/products/?productID=ZY1X5OH5A8)

[EvilNeil]

That's an awesome arranged version of the trial music.

And what is it with PW/GS games designing their female characters with Racey in mind?

[Cherrn]

This is all really awesome and all, but I'm having real difficulty coming up with a legitimate reason as to why it isn't released until fucking 2007.

[Powling Bin]

That last link explains why we don't see her in Case 5.

Um, the ending of Case 5 (and Case 4 as a matter of fact) explains why you don't see Maya in Case 5. She's off training.

As for the linked pic, it's pretty obvious Maya was set up for murder.

[Cherrn]

Jesus, I can't believe you're even speculating that. The exact same thing happened in the first game.

[KeitaroYevon]

I know this sounds quite smarkish for this thread, but the rock remix turnabout theme in the trailer is from Gyakuten Saiban 3. Gyakuten Saiban 2 had a different turnabout theme. However, I liked GS3's turnabout music better, anyway :P

[EvilNeil]

What a charming young man. Here, have your username/rights back. :)

[Kashkabald]

I wish there was a Phoenix Wright port for... well, something other than the DS.

I'm too poor and lazy to get a DS.

[Ari Rockefeller]

Um, the ending of Case 5 (and Case 4 as a matter of fact) explains why you don't see Maya in Case 5. She's off training.
I know that, but I was at least hoping she'd show up during the last case if only for a little while...

[Powling Bin]

Jesus, I can't believe you're even speculating that. The exact same thing happened in the first game.

And? For all her energy and excitability, Maya's still a hapless damsel in distress. You cannot seriously believe that Maya would commit murder, and then admit to it. Hell, THAT plot was used in the last game too.

Ari: She did. In the ending.

Edit: I now understand what you were trying to say.

Yes, it is fucking obvious. ... Just, not to Ari. :smalltran

[KeitaroYevon]

What a charming young man. Here, have your username/rights back. :)

OH BABY Thank you, my kind sir. Did I win an internet? XD

[Log]

I wish there was a Phoenix Wright port for... well, something other than the DS.

I'm too poor and lazy to get a DS.

Oh well, I think the DS is perfect for the game. I mean nothing compares to yelling "Objection!!" into the DS's microphone as you detect a contradiction in the witnesses testimony and turn around the case in your favour. Heck, the way case five made you look for fingerprints using the stylus to apply powder and then having to blow on your DS to make the fingerprints come out was absolutely hilarious, too.

In any case it's really good news that the next part of the series ist being translated. Seems like the first game sold enough copies to justify bringing the rest of the series over here.

[KeitaroYevon]

http://ww2.capcom.com/e3_2006/video/mc_pwaa.swf

Everyone psyched yet? ^_^

[Cherrn]

No, I'm not quite done whining about how it isn't released until 2007.

[VeggieH8R]

No, I'm not quite done whining about how it isn't released until 2007.

Shush you. They're preparing the special DS only case. At least they better be.

[Powling Bin]

They're making a billion units this time, so I can just get it at the mall instead of being dicked around until I get it online. Or maybe they're making the soundtrack suck a little less.

[VeggieH8R]

Shush you. The soundtrack is awesome.

[Powling Bin]

Shush you. The soundtrack is awesome.

Not Gyakuten Saiban 2's. Hotline of Fate is the only good track on there.

[Ari Rockefeller]

Shush you. They're preparing the special DS only case. At least they better be.
Dusting for prints and performing luminol tests were much more fun than I expected them to be...but I hope they simply don't rehash those gimmicks for the next game.
Shush you. The soundtrack is awesome.
Indeed. (rocks out to the "Steel Samurai" theme)

[Cherrn]

By the way, the game is currently out in Japan, and it has a full english option.

So, if you want to get it before March or whenever it's out in the US, you can import it from Play-Asia for a surprisingly cheap price without any fuss. Unless Sony shuts them down ROFLOLOLOL THIS JOKE HAS BEEN OVERPLAYED ALREADY.

I'm still waiting for my copy.

[Minx]

Should I have bought Phoenix Wright instead of Nintendogs (which I hate)?

[Cherrn]

Yes.

[Minx]

Oh no!

[VeggieH8R]

I'm playing it now, as Neil should be.

[EvilNeil]

I'm at work (the web filter seems to have been disabled, so we're all streaming video and visiting verboten sites like crazy) - but I'll certainly be playing it when I get home in a couple of hours. Exciting!

How is it, so far?

[VeggieH8R]

The soundtrack sucks.

[VeggieH8R]

Goddamn it all. It's like the difficulty from the last case in the first game carried over to this one right at the beginning. You have to use character profiles as evidence now and the contradictions are excessively vague in the second case (which I flunked). The Psyche-lock is a cool idea, it's like putting someone on the stand before you get to court. And Franziska Von Karma is hilarity incarnate. She reminds me of that Boarshead Turkey commercial where that fat guy got slapped hard for asking for a plain turkey sandwich instead of boarshead.

EDIT: Remember Maya/Mia? Pearl can do it too. And she wears much smaller clothes. Yowza

[Magitek]

How's the translation? Have the spelling and grammar errors in the first images been corrected?

[VeggieH8R]

I don't think I saw the images, but there were a couple spelling flubs. Nothing grammatical though yet.

[Log]

So I finally had the time to finish the game over the weekend and well, it was every bit as awesome as the first game (case 4 is really a high point for the series up 'till now, for me anyway). The translation is absolutely fine (apart from the occasional spelling error) and I can absolutely recommend importing it (especially if you're from Europe).

The only downside now is that I have to wait for the remake of the third game. That is, if it Capcom should decide to release one (oh please let them do it).

[VeggieH8R]

Yeah I just finished case 4 too. It was a fucking blast what with:

Edgeworth being your prosecutor

and

Your client IS in fact guilty as sin

[Log]

Your client IS in fact guilty as sin

Case 4 spoiler: Heh, when you had to decide between saving Maya's life and convicting innocent Adrian Andrews for murder, that was one of the toughest decisions I've ever had to make in a video game - luckily, in the end it didn't matter though.

[Viewtiful]

I've got the US release of the game now, and I'm on case # 2. Thus far it's been well written, and there are few typos. There are some issues with grammar (such as using "they" when "he/she" is needed) but they may be intentional, I'm not sure.

Not really feeling the music (for the most part).

[Rad McAwesome]

I won a copy of the Japanese version a while ago (:badass:) and I'm currently starting with case 4. So far it hasn't been as awesome as the first game, but it's still good, and the Psyche-locks are an interesting mechanic and make it a lot harder to just randomly present things and hope you're right. Also, the return of some of the characters from the first game in case 4 had me all giddy. The soundtrack does suck though.

[Viewtiful]

Question: Is it wrong to think that Franziska is sexy?

cause I do.

[Onimaru]

Question: Is it wrong to think that Franziska is sexy?

cause I do.

It is never wrong to think that a post pubescent, sexy, biologically female woman is sexy

I mean, is fire hot? Is water wet? IS SUGAR SWEET?

http://i10.tinypic.com/4de74on.gifhttp://i18.tinypic.com/4g53cld.gifhttp://i13.tinypic.com/35d2714.gif
I MEAN COME ON!

[Grey]

Suddenly I feel motivated to dust of the chunky gray DS and finish the first Phoenix Wright. Right after I finish Gears of War...

[Viewtiful]

Like what gets me about her is that she's so uptight, like she has so much pent up sexual frustration... ugh

It just screams, "Give me dick now!"

edit: oh, and ZE WHIP

[Racewing]

Liking it so far, though it took a while. It really is for PW vets, and honestly, it's annoying to know that you ever, ever have enough evidence to undo Psyche-Locks when you think you do.

I'm still in the middle of case 2. These things are LONG. This is a good thing, provided there are apparently only 4 cases. :\ Needs more Ema, though.

Impressions of the gals so far:

Officer Byrde: I love her. She's awesome, and she's really how when she's wearing anything but her police uniform.

Maya: My god, she's even perkier than last time around. Still just as likeable, though.

Mia: My God, she's even more commanding than last time around. Still just as likeable, though.

Lotta: Still not attractive or anything, but she's still great for laughs.

FRANZISKA VON KARMA: Total fucking complete win. Not much more here I can say that anyone else hasn't, except that as of Case 2, I'm totally slashing her and Mia in my mind.

Pearl: ZOMG cute. I thought I would hate her, cause, y'know, child stars almost never work out. But Pearl manages to be so cute and adorable and funny in her naivete that I can't help but love her like a little sis.

Ini Miney: Fail. Nuff said. I hate characters that have "lol i'm an airhead" as their only gimmick.

[Racewing]

Oh, yeah, anyone catch the "Well, Excuuuuuuuuuse me, Princess!" line in Case 2? :)

[Magitek]

Hey Racewing.





Ini Miney: Fail. Nuff said. I hate characters that have "lol i'm an airhead" as their only gimmick.

After you finish Case 2, I want to know if your opinion still stands.

[Racewing]

I keep thinking there's more to her. Guess I'll just have to play through and see.

[Rad McAwesome]

Oh, yeah, anyone catch the "Well, Excuuuuuuuuuse me, Princess!" line in Case 2? :)

For some reason the translators put a ton of pop culture references in this game. Case 3 has references to YTMND, the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and the A-Team. They're kind of annoying more often than not but I laughed at the Fresh Prince one.

BTW I'm only on day 2 of case 4 but it's amaaaaazing.

[Shadowless]

Well, the Japanese games had a lot of pop culture references, too, I think - just ones that foreign audiences aren't going to get. So...

SPEAKING OF WHICH ANYBODY PLAY HOTEL DUSK?
I played it for 15 minutes, and already I'm hooked. The sketched-out style is fantastic.

[bonertown]

I'm not really feeling the translation in this one. Doesn't seem as smart the first one, and I suspect it's because Alexander Smith wasn't involved this time around. Music isn't nearly as memorable either. I like the game otherwise.

Probably near the end of case 2.

[Shaolin Samurai]

Well, the Japanese games had a lot of pop culture references, too, I think - just ones that foreign audiences aren't going to get. So...

SPEAKING OF WHICH ANYBODY PLAY HOTEL DUSK?
I played it for 15 minutes, and already I'm hooked. The sketched-out style is fantastic.

Played it for a bit - I was "mean" to the little girl and saw the game over screen =\

[Viewtiful]

Well, the Japanese games had a lot of pop culture references, too, I think - just ones that foreign audiences aren't going to get. So...

SPEAKING OF WHICH ANYBODY PLAY HOTEL DUSK?
I played it for 15 minutes, and already I'm hooked. The sketched-out style is fantastic.

yes, it is quite crack. I really like the kinds of distinctly American slang injected into the dialogue; makes the characters feel so fresh.

I stopped playing so I can finish PW2 first, how far are you?

[Shadowless]

I beat that shit when the Japanese one came out. It's good.

I've been playing more Hotel Dusk, and it's keeping my expectations fulfilled. If it was localized, they did a fantastic job. Honestly, it feels like the original script was written by an American. Well, even better - it also feels like it was written by an honest-to-God writer. It's all kinds of good.

[Viewtiful]

I meant how far are you into HD, guess that was unclear.

Like have you gotten to any other puzzles beyond the one you need to do with the girl?

[EvilNeil]

It is never wrong to think that a post pubescent, sexy, biologically female woman is sexy

I mean, is fire hot? Is water wet? IS SUGAR SWEET?
This heartfelt, passionate quote is going over my (imaginary) mantelpiece. :D

[Shadowless]

Yeah, I'm at, like, 11:20 PM? There have been a few puzzles. Although, really, the in-game 'puzzle' sections are easy. Unless you get stuck on the coin game.

It's a lot more difficult, at times, to know what you're supposed to do to advance the story. They try to give you good leads, and most of the time it's easy to follow, but it's just natural that sooner or later you're going to miss what's next, and have to wander around knocking on doors and checking each room.

[Onimaru]

There's a demo of GS4 out on Capcom's Japanese site

http://www.capcom.co.jp/saiban4/saiban4_taikenban/saiban4_taikenban.html

I wonder what they're gonna localize the newbies name as...

also nick beats some fool to death with a bottle

[Shadowless]

Oh, right - I beat Hotel Dusk. Pretty neat game, overall. They brought back the adventure game genre, essentially.

I guess there's some differences in the endings you can get, too - but it looks like maybe I got the best ending, more or less.

Still, there's a certain item you can only get when you play through the second time, so I might go back and do that after I get tired of CastleVania: PoR.

[Shaolin Samurai]

Beat it as well. I understand adventure games are largely trial and error, but at too many points in the game you had to try random combinations of everything you could think of just to advance the story. I think at a few points the character literally says to himself, "I guess I should wander around to see If I find anything."

[Shadowless]

Really? I thought it was pretty straightforward, really.
I got stuck on a couple of the puzzles for a while, but I thought the game really bent over backwards to let the player know what to do next to advance things.
"That sounded like a door down the hallway..." and such.

Whenever Kyle said he needed to walk around or whatever, it triggered an event right away. It's just the game designers' way of saying "there's nothing left here to do - go check out the next area." I understand that it's a little bit mechanical, since as a player you're basically just jumping through hoops the whole game, if you want to look at it that way. Still, that's kind of what adventure games are. It's really more about reading a story than anything else.

Come to mention it, stuff like that shows up in Phoenix Wright a lot, too. Things like "Hm, it seems like he's telling the truth..." and "That sounds fishy to me. Maybe there was a contradiction?" seemed to crop up a lot.

[Rad McAwesome]

Quit talking about Hotel Dusk in the Phoenix Wright thread, you jerks. I don't have it yet!

Just beat PW2. Overall I think the first game was better, but case 4 was pretty awesome. Edgeworth and Gumshoe are so great in it. Does Franziska return for the third game?

[Shadowless]

I would guess not.
It was my impression that the third game was a flashback/prequel that featured Chihiro/Mia as the main character. If so, Franziska shouldn't have been on the scene at that time.

However, it looks like the next game to get a release on the DS will be Gyakuten Saiban 4... and it's possible she'd show up in that. Perhaps not for very long, though - it seems like they're trying to emphasize new characters with #4.

[Shaolin Samurai]

Only the 1st case in the 3rd game is a flashback - the rest follows the events of the 2nd game. Franziska shows up in the last trial.

[Shadowless]

Oh. I stand corrected.

[Tiamat]

An interesting thing I noticed about the first 3 PW games is that each seems to mainly focus on one of the major characters

The first PW seems to be mainly about Edgeworth, his past, and his character development.

The 2nd is about Maya's past, family, and... well, I haven't beaten it yet but it seems mainly Maya-centric.

The 3rd is about Phoenix Wright. And maybe Mia, too (I haven't played it yet)

Maybe they ran out of living major characters to be the focus of by the 4th one or something, which might be a reason why it's mainly about new characters from what's known so far. Well, besides the obvious fact that having the final third one be about Phoenix Wright himself before bringing on all the newbies makes sense

[Shadowless]

Yeah, it does make sense. You guys are being pretty conservative about them spoilers, eh?

They could always delve into the background of characters they just introduced (probably defendants, mostly), but it wouldn't have the same impact as learning about the main characters.

Still, though. Phoenix and Edgeworth? Dreamy. I don't really know if Housuke can measure up, frankly. Then again, maybe he's supposed to appeal to younger players.

[Shadowless]

Also - is it really worth playing through Hotel Dusk again to see the extra item? It probably wouldn't take me as long my second time through, but if it's just to see one item, and the ending won't change, then... I don't know...

[Viewtiful]

The 3rd is about Phoenix Wright. And maybe Mia, too (I haven't played it yet)


Go grab the rom and the fan translation (http://comebackcourt.sourceforge.net/).

It's only for the first case though.

[Shadowless]

Yeah, and I don't know what the chances are that they'll be getting any further than that, at this point.
But I guess our prospects of an official release are pretty good at this point. So I'll keep my fingers crossed.

[Shaolin Samurai]

According to this interview (http://www.croik.com/PW/interview.htm) the 4th game would only be localized after the 3rd game reaches our shores, if either of them do.

[Tiamat]

Go grab the rom and the fan translation (http://comebackcourt.sourceforge.net/).

It's only for the first case though.

Eeeeh, I'll probably just wait for the day it (hopefully) comes out in teh west. It's not like the first case is really a good way to get a gauge of the complete game, anyways. What I hear about it makes me positive enough that it's primarily about Phoenix Wright, though. It's just whether it also focuses on Mia that I'm unsure about.


Still, though. Phoenix and Edgeworth? Dreamy. I don't really know if Housuke can measure up, frankly. Then again, maybe he's supposed to appeal to younger players.

Yeeesh, Housuke looks waaaay too young for a lawyer, in my opinion (he looks like, 16 or below to me. Sure, Franziska prosecuted starting at age 13, but Von Karmas are freakish that way). And keeps making me think of Fei from Xenogears or worse (considering how much he'd fit in as a lawyer), Wang Tang from Powerstone. I forget if his official age was mentioned, although I don't think he's actually SUPPOSED to be that young but he sure looks like it.

[Rad McAwesome]

I hope Housuke isn't going to be one of those GENIUS PRODIGY types. What appeals to me about Phoenix is that he's the underdog in every case. Except when going up against Payne, but, well, it's Payne.

[Tiamat]

Mia says to Maya in the first Phoenix Wright that she thinks Phoenix is a genius (Maya tells Phoenix this in Case 2), but Mia did add that he still needs experience, too. Also, it doesn't seem like most others share that opinion of Phoenix (besides Maggey). Even Maya is constantly ribbing him, and everyone keeps on talking about how he often needs to rely on bluffs. ...actually, Mia's really condescending to him too in PW2, but that's probably just one of those for-his-own-good things (she acts practically like his mom sometimes).

PW3 Spoiler: Supposedly, from what I heard, at the end of Phoenix Wright 3, Phoenix is finally widely respected though. Which is yet another reason they likely made the fourth be primarily about all new characters.

From what I've seen of the PW4 demo though, Housuke seems like he'll basically be more of the same. IE, everyones' whipping boy. Just... more... boy-ish. (perhaps too much, IMHO)

[Viewtiful]

I like Odoroki. He looks like a bomb ready to explode with legalese at any moment.

He is supposed to be 22. Guess he just looks young.

[Tiamat]

He is supposed to be 22. Guess he just looks young.

Ah, I thought I vaguely recalled his official age was given and just didn't match the way he looks, but wasn't sure. Seems that it was.

[Onimaru]

I hope Housuke isn't going to be one of those GENIUS PRODIGY types. What appeals to me about Phoenix is that he's the underdog in every case. Except when going up against Payne, but, well, it's Payne.

I don't think you have to worry about that, he spends the majority of the intro to the first case in GS4 freaking out about having to defend-you-know-who, on his first case no less

also his mentor is a huge disappointment because it's a DUDE ewwww

[Shadowless]

Also, the vest is kinda dopey, and the hair is trying too hard.

[Ultimate Jesus]

I just saw this, and found it fairly funny.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/48310936/

[Magitek]

http://www.capcom.com/BBS/showthread.php?t=12080



DESCRIPTION OF CONTEST: Using the comic and the talk bubbles templates provided, add your own text to plead your case for Capcom to bring Ace Attorney 3 to America! Creativity, humor, or even seriousness is welcome! We’ll review the cases and make our choice.

:O

[Tiamat]

That is an adorable contest.


Some Ace Attorney 4 spoilers on returning characters (from Court Records):

http://ranobe.com/up/src/up173365.jpg

[Magitek]

And now to capture Racewing's attention.

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/457/emmaskygs4do4.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emmaskygs4do4.jpg)

[EvilNeil]

Is our little Ema growing up and filling out? :D :D :D

[Shin ATproof]

Nice! An older Ema! Although I really liked the original Ema especially her "zOMG lets investigate, cuz its a mystery!" personality. However from the looks of those screenshots, she looks serious and that makes me kinda sad.

[Rad McAwesome]

I'm already missing the old cast. :(

[Tiamat]

Well, at least there's still Phoenix Wright 3 (assuming it comes over here) if you want a bit more of the old cast before the new generation (unless you've already learned how to read Japanese and imported it, of course).

PW4 spoilers? I'm not sure if it's been confirmed, but everyones' saying that she's apparently the new "Gumshoe". (IE, detective, not class idiot). Doubtful that she'll be as inept. Although I can't imagine Ace Attorney with a detective that's actually competent, because it's supposed to be the player's job to do the competent investigating....)

[Viewtiful]

Well, if each new character fell into the role/personality of a previous one, that'd be boring.

Am I the only one that likes the new characters?

[Rad McAwesome]

Am I the only one that likes the new characters?

Well, yes, I mean, we don't really know anything about them aside from what they look like.

[Viewtiful]

But we have info from the online flash demo and developer interviews!

not to mention animations! (which are a big part of what makes the characters interesting)

[Hayabusa]

Von Karma's daughter is an absolute honey. She's so cute when she gets flustered. <3

I just hope she doesn't turn out to be a man at any point in the story. That would be bad. :<

[Racewing]

And now to capture Racewing's attention.

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/457/emmaskygs4do4.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emmaskygs4do4.jpg)
I...

I...

I I I I i i I I I .... I..
Nice! An older Ema! Although I really liked the original Ema especially her "zOMG lets investigate, cuz its a mystery!" personality. However from the looks of those screenshots, she looks serious and that makes me kinda sad.
...thank you. Man, it's not often that I'm speechless and have to have someone do the talking FOR me.

Anyone up for a little time-travel self-pleasure? She is a genius, after all

[Holden]

"Puberty, nooooo!"