New animated EVA movies (or "shinji x kaworu 4ever" thread)

[bonertown]

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I always watch EVA at least once a year since it's quality (those that disagree can get the fuck out of my thread), and despite the exploitation that GAINAX has given it over the last decade or so, the footage here looks beautiful, even with the camcorder source.

[Shin ATproof]

As much as I dislike Eva, I'm curious to see Anno retcon the story...maybe I'll like it this time. If I still hate it, at least I'll have Gurren Lagann. Best thing Gainax has made in years.

[Caj]

I always wonder how the ending would be if Shinji didn't pussy out in the end.Hopefully these movies lead up into an alternate ending and scenarios instead of just being full on remake.

[Mr. Pointy]

It looks hot. I just hope Shinji grows a spine before the end of the 4th movie.

[StriderM]

He said the last movie will have new stuff and a new ending.

[StriderM]

Also heard about a new character or something.

[Equilibrium]

I'm loving that Fly Me To The Moon remix. Has that been released before or is it something new for the movie?

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

The only thing I care about is the end of the manga. I can see that Shinji growing some balls against Seele's invasion.

[Leomanz]

Nah, that remix is gay.

[EvilNeil]

All those incredibly cool bits from the old series just got even cooler.

Now, how the fuck am I going to see this, any time this decade?

[Kei]

As much as I dislike Eva, I'm curious to see Anno retcon the story...maybe I'll like it this time. If I still hate it, at least I'll have Gurren Lagann. Best thing Gainax has made in years.


This is exactly how I feel on the situation. I thought Eva was pure shit, but I'm loving GL. I certainly hope Gainax does not drop the ball on Gurren Lagann. Who am I kidding, they're practically known for that.

[ICEMAN299]

Is there any meaning behind the power pole shadows or is that just the style chosen? I remember seeing tons of shots of them in the last 2 episodes as well as EoE.

Also, lol @ Unit 02 's spinning rib cage

[Onimaru]

would that I could somehow hijack this into a Gurren Lagann thread. CURSE MY FEEBLE POSTING

[Shin ATproof]

This is exactly how I feel on the situation. I thought Eva was pure shit, but I'm loving GL. I certainly hope Gainax does not drop the ball on Gurren Lagann. Who am I kidding, they're practically known for that.

Gurren Lagann is Gainax's apology for fucking up Mecha for 10 years.

[Kei]

If the next 12 episodes of GL can be as epic as the first 15, I will personally sit down and re watch all of Eva, Mahromatic, RE: Cutey Honey, and all the other shitty Gainax shows I've watched. Thats how much I'm devoted to GL at this point.

[Shin ATproof]

If the next 12 episodes of GL can be as epic as the first 15, I will personally sit down and re watch all of Eva, Mahromatic, RE: Cutey Honey, and all the other shitty Gainax shows I've watched. Thats how much I'm devoted to GL at this point.

<GASP!>
FUCK YOU! Re:Cutey Honey was awesome because everything related to Go Nagai is automatically "win" by default.

Still, I totally agree, GuLa is freak'n fantastic and I hope Gainax whores that franchise into the ground like Eva for many years to come. I want Movies, Spinoffs, Manga and seasonal figures of Yoko and Nia in bunnygirl suits.

[Izanami]

I'll give it a try. I don't like EVA at all either...the characters annoy the hell out of me (exc. Ritsuko and maybe Misato).

[ryucross]

If Gurren-Lagann is anywhere near as influential as Evagelion was, my inner 8 year old is full of glee at the idea that for the next dozen years, mecha anime will be filled with the spirit of real men.

Also, the inevitable Super Robot Wars insertion where the Dai Gurren Dan meets the Gutsy Galaxy Guard. I think my inner 8 year old's heart just exploded.

[Shin ATproof]

If Gurren-Lagann is anywhere near as influential as Evagelion was, my inner 8 year old is full of glee at the idea that for the next dozen years, mecha anime will be filled with the spirit of real men.

GaoGaiGar beat Gurren Lagann in the influential department. It revived the classic Super Robot genre that was being choked by other shows that mimed Eva. The success of GaGaGa opened the market for shows with GAR themes like Gravion, Godannar and Gurren Lagann.

Also, the inevitable Super Robot Wars insertion where the Dai Gurren Dan meets the Gutsy Galaxy Guard. I think my inner 8 year old's heart just exploded.

That is just too much awesome for one game...and if an SRW managed to have GaGaGa, GuLa, Gravion and Godannar in the same game...the universe would implode.

Edit:
I find it funny that a lot of Giant robot shows begin with the letter "G".
Getter Robo, GaoGaiGar, Go Lion, Gaiking, Godam, GoShogun, Gundam, Godmars, Godsigma, Goldlitan, Gravion, GunxSword, Gasaraki, Godannar...Gurren Lagann

[blockhead]

<GASP!>
FUCK YOU! Re:Cutey Honey was awesome because everything related to Go Nagai is automatically "win" by default.

RE: Cutey Honey was awesome because lesbians. :3

Natsuko's (?) "Kill Bill"-esque rampage in the first episode was pretty great too.

[Kei]

<GASP!>
FUCK YOU! Re:Cutey Honey was awesome because everything related to Go Nagai is automatically "win" by default.

Still, I totally agree, GuLa is freak'n fantastic and I hope Gainax whores that franchise into the ground like Eva for many years to come. I want Movies, Spinoffs, Manga and seasonal figures of Yoko and Nia in bunnygirl suits.


Don't get me wrong. I love Go Nagai's classic staples of bouncing tits and huge fucking sideburns as much as the next guy, but RE: CH was severely lacking. If I watch it again, I'll probably just skip the second episode entirely. The live action movie that RE: tied in to was surprisingly good though.

Also, the inevitable Super Robot Wars insertion where the Dai Gurren Dan meets the Gutsy Galaxy Guard. I think my inner 8 year old's heart just exploded.

I can't friggin wait for GL to get into a SRW game. If nothing else than to use King Kittan as a playable unit.

Getter Robo, GaoGaiGar, Go Lion, Gaiking, Godam, GoShogun, Gundam, Godmars, Godsigma, Goldlitan, Gravion, GunxSword, Gasaraki, Godannar...Gurren Lagann
BUT WAIT, THERES MORE: Gunbuster
This thread is now about finding every mecha show that starts with a G.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

Gainax [...] fucking up Mecha for 10 years.

If "fucking up" means "doing something new in a tired, formulaic genre", then you are right, and I thank them for that.

[Shin ATproof]

Formulaic genre? Something new? Macross, Gundam, Dunbine, Orguss, Southern Cross, Votoms, Megazone 23...IDEON (the show that inspired Eva)!? Do any of those series ring a bell!? Not every Mecha series was like Combattler V or Mazinger!

There were many shows that dug deep into the human nature, politics and mythology long before Evangelion. Evas contribution to Mecha was starting a trend of Eva imitators. Some of various success like Eureka 7, RahXephon and Gasaraki. Some that somewhat flopped like Brain Powered and Big O. Even some shows that just did a parody with key characters and themes like Nadesico. Evangelion in large created a new trend of redundancy and mediocrity where instead of "GAR" we got "EMO-DRAMA".

But I guess since none of the shows before and after Eva have the excess of melodrama, esoteric symbolism and impromptu script writing like Eva, there hasn't been any "new" series since Eva [/Anno Bullshit].

Edit:
THANK GOD for GaoGaiGar...
Even shows like Full Metal Panic kept the genre "fresh"...but I'm glad that there has been a revival of the the oldschool. Even Gainax got back into the genre in a big way with Gurren Lagann. Its the bee's knees!

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

None of those shows did what Evangelion did. Otherwise, you wouldn't be crying about how it "fucked-up" (read: changed) the mech anime genre. It's far from being a perfect anime (roughly 15 episodes of filler and a shit ending), but was truly innovative for its time in things like character development, aesthetics, narrative style, etc.

And EMO-DRAMA is a retarded way to describe Eva. I think it's expectable to see a 14 year old dude with a shit life fighting against extraterrestrial things with no fucking idea on how to use his robot to be, you know, a bit mentally unstable.

I really, really want to puke when I read Mech fans crying about Eva as if it polluted the sanctity of the genre.

[Shin ATproof]

None of those shows did what Evangelion did. Otherwise, you wouldn't be crying about how it "ruined" (read: changed) the mech anime genre. It's far from being a perfect anime (roughly 15 episodes of filler and a shit ending), but was truly innovative for its time in things like character development, aesthetics, narrative style, etc.

Most if not all the crap that people credit Evangelion for being innovative was done by shows long before Evangelion. Seriously, watch the shows I listed! The series simply clicked with a lot of viewers in large to its excess of drama and symbolism. That is why it got imitated. Kinda how Gundam is now really popular because of shojo character designs and narration starting with Wing, SeeD and is being repeated with the new series...or how any Anime/Manga dealing with school life is an instant success in Japan.

And EMO-DRAMA is a retarded misnomer. I think it's expectable to see a 14 year old dude with a shit life fighting against extraterrestrial things with no fucking idea on how to use his robot to be, you know, a bit mentally unstable.

Interesting...because I found Eva to be a character driven story without character development. Characters like Shinji for the most part began as a whiny cunt, got some stones for a minute and then went back to be a whiny cunt. The most character development was probably found with characters like Asuka and Kaji...one went from "Genki/Tsundere" to "I need Zoloft" and one went from alive to dead.

I really, really want to puke when I read Mech fans crying about Eva as if it polluted the sanctity of the genre.

I really, really want to go on a killing spree everytime I read statements about how "innovative" Eva was to the genre. Its bullshit propagated by Gainax (Anno in particular) and Anime/Manga fans that haven't seen many Mecha shows.

[Shin ATproof]

BUT WAIT, THERES MORE: Gunbuster
This thread is now about finding every mecha show that starts with a G.

LOL
OH! IT'S ON!
Not counting sequels (e.g. Getter Robo G, Gravion Zwei, etc)...Giant Robo, Grendaizer, Ganga, Godian, Groizer X, Gingaizer...I think that covers the 70s...

[Onimaru]

If "fucking up" means "doing something new in a tired, formulaic genre", then you are right, and I thank them for that.

Evangelion didn't really do anything that new, other than loading up on somewhat superfluous Christian imagery. Sissy boys, conspiracies, fucked up biomonsters, and everybody dying have all been done before (and most of them were done by Gundam)

If I had to point out what Evangelion did do to become it's huge success, it was package the stuff in a formula that appealed to a modern audience. It's a sci-fi soap opera, like Gundam, but it's more "opera" than "soap" by wrapping things up in a thoroughly bombastic fashion that makes you go "Huh?" as opposed to the seemingly unending, meandering storylines that a lot of similiar shows have

In other words

Gundam: Evangelion
Devil Man: Hellsing (manga/OAV, only)
Getter Robo: Gurren Lagann
etc
etc

[blockhead]

I really, really want to go on a killing spree everytime I read statements about how "innovative" Eva was to the genre. Its bullshit propagated by Gainax (Anno in particular) and Anime/Manga fans that haven't seen many Mecha shows.

And some of us really want to go on killing sprees every time some desperately anti-mainstream faggot decides to bitch about Evangelion again.

A lot of the things present in Eva had been done before, yeah, but the point is that they hadn't been done all at once in a single show, in the way they were done in Eva. And the resulting product was popular and did make a lasting impact on the anime industry, no matter how much anyone cries about it.

Also, Evangelion couldn't have ruined the mecha genre, because it's not a mecha anime.

[Shin ATproof]

And some of us really want to go on killing sprees every time some desperately anti-mainstream faggot decides to bitch about Evangelion again.

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU CALLING ANTI-MAINSTREAM!?
I'm a mook for the fucking mainstream shit! I just don't like it when people call Evangelion "innovative".

A lot of the things present in Eva had been done before, yeah, but the point is that they hadn't been done all at once in a single show, in the way they were done in Eva. And the resulting product was popular and did make a lasting impact on the anime industry, no matter how much anyone cries about it.

If you think Evangelion is innovative because it has things (or encompasses many elements found in earlier works) you never saw in any Anime before it:
WATCH MORE ANIME!
WATCH MORE ANIME!
WATCH MORE ANIME!
WATCH MORE ANIME!
There are so many series before Eva that dealt with issues like human emotion, politics, symbolism and mythology. I know this because I'm a nerd that grew up watching Animes that came out before Eva.

Look, I understand that there are people that genuinely like Evangelion and think its made of awesome-sauce, Fantastic! I respect that opinion but don't tell me that it was "doing something new in a tired, formulaic genre" when that is completely false. That shit bothers me. Its like saying the Berlin Wall came down simply because Reagan willed it so. Its untrue bullshit.

Also, Evangelion couldn't have ruined the mecha genre, because it's not a mecha anime.

WRONG AGAIN!
Evangelion is classified as part of the Mecha genre and considered the spiritual successor to Ideon. If you still have any doubts, I got three words: Super Robot Wars.

[blockhead]

If you think Evangelion is innovative because it has things you never saw in any Anime before it:
WATCH MORE ANIME!
WATCH MORE ANIME!
WATCH MORE ANIME!
WATCH MORE ANIME!
There are so many series before Eva that dealt with issues like human emotion, politics, symbolism and mythology. I know this because I'm a nerd that grew up watching Animes that came out before Eva.

I've seen plenty of anime. I've never seen anything that was like Evangelion.

Well, anything like Evangelion that wasn't a blatant rip-off (sup Rahxephon).

Look, I understand that there are people that genuinely like Evangelion and think its made of awesome-sauce, Fantastic! I respect that opinion but don't tell me that it was "doing something new in a tired, formulaic genre" when that is completely false. That shit bothers me.

I never said it was innovative, and don't really care to argue that.

WRONG AGAIN!
Evangelion is classified as part of the Mecha genre and considered the spiritual successor to Ideon. If you still have any doubts, I got three words: Super Robot Wars.

I don't give a shit what it's the spiritual successor of. Mecha anime are about giant robots punching the shit out of monsters / other robots, and Evangelion was about psychoanalyzing its messed up cast. It was an anime that had mecha in it, but it wasn't a mecha anime. It was more of a drama than anything.

[bonertown]

I knew this was going to happen.

[blockhead]

Well, duh.

[Spidey]

I knew this was going to happen.

Probably shouldn't have made the "IF YOU DONT LIKE THIS GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREAD" comment.

[Internet]

Do we still care about Eva? I thought emo died with the 90s...

[Spidey]

WATCH MORE ANIME!
WATCH MORE ANIME!
WATCH MORE ANIME!
WATCH MORE ANIME!


Fatal flaw in this argument.

[Shin ATproof]

I've seen plenty of anime. I've never seen anything that was like Evangelion.

WATCH MORE ANIME!

I never said it was innovative, and don't really care to argue that.

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT!?

I don't give a shit what it's the spiritual successor of. Mecha anime are about giant robots punching the shit out of monsters / other robots, and Evangelion was about psychoanalyzing its messed up cast. It was an anime that had mecha in it, but it wasn't a mecha anime. It was more of a drama than anything.

WRONG AGAIN!
Mecha/Robot Anime is a genre that features the vehicles and their pilots as central plot points. Evangelion is part of that genre and would fall into "super robot" territory than "real type". As for Ideon you should care about it being the spiritual successor since it was also a controversial sci-fi soap opera mecha series...Anno himself said it was the series that inspired Evangelion...both by the way are found in Super Robot Wars.

[Kenji]

Eva did nothing new. It's STILL more popular than people would like it to be (read: those that actually spend time giving a shit about opinions outside their own). My only question is this: is the Rei/Shinji shower scene refined to maximum quality? And while I'm at it, will Touji die this time? Cause matching manga canon would be pretty awesome.

[Internet]

Eva invented Linkin Park.

[Kei]

THANK GOD for GaoGaiGar...

Thread over. But seriously, you are correct. GGG and GGGF really hit home to were mecha truly lies: in the hearts of courageous men and women.

Although, GGG sort of led me astray once. In hopes that Project Z gets finished, I watched all of Betterman. God damn that was shitty. It had better pay off once Project Z gets moving. All is forgiven though. I just need to sit back, watch OVER SKILL, and the hotblood starts flowing.

Also, Did you hear Viral's voiceover for the preview for 16? "I WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUE POWER OF... THE SUMMARY EPISODE". That had best be a reference to GGG Final (I WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUE POWER OF COURAGE!). C'mon. Hiyama even used the same goddamned tone as he said it! Speaking of which, GL is just a huge GGG reunion tour it seems. Kamina was Volfogg, Viral was Guy (obviously), Thymilph was Palparepa, Kittan was Nail (from the 31 Primevals.) etc etc.

[Spidey]

WATCH MORE ANIME!



WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT!?

No wonder no one takes you seriously.

[Hiryu no Ken]

WATCH MORE ANIME!
Shin, as an anime fan whose bread and butter genre is robot anime, I really haven't seen anything quite like Evangelion. I'm not going to argue that it's "innovative", but when you watch Eva, do you think "boy, this sure is a lot like Gundam"? Do you, really? Its direction and the way it analyzes its characters is just different from all of those shows.

Also...
Formulaic genre? Something new? Macross, Gundam, Dunbine, Orguss, Southern Cross, Votoms, Megazone 23...IDEON (the show that inspired Eva)!? Do any of those series ring a bell!? Not every Mecha series was like Combattler V or Mazinger!
All of those examples were old news by the time Eva came around, remember. The early 90's was a fairly stagnant period for anime (especially TV anime) in general. There were exceptions here and there, of course, but nothing that gave anime the kick in the pants it needed.

[Shin ATproof]

All of those examples were old news by the time Eva came around, remember. The early 90's was a fairly stagnant period for anime (especially TV anime) in general. There were exceptions here and there, of course, but nothing that gave anime the kick in the pants it needed.

Hmm....
Unfortunately the problem I have with this argument is that even if you choose to exclude most works that are older than Evangelion from say, the 80s to early 90s, Macross and Gundam have remained relevant long after their original series. This is primarily because there has always been some new series in both franchises and they generally dealt with themes that some people seem to think began with Evangelion. Some shows, especially in the late 80s to early 90s are noted as groundbreaking, like Macross Plus and Zeta Gundam; so there wasn't like, some huge decade long gap of "nothing/mediocrity" between the works I mentioned and Eva, as it seems you're implying.

[blockhead]

I notice you didn't respond to his first point there, champ. :smalltran

[Shin ATproof]

Although, GGG sort of led me astray once. In hopes that Project Z gets finished, I watched all of Betterman. God damn that was shitty. It had better pay off once Project Z gets moving. All is forgiven though. I just need to sit back, watch OVER SKILL, and the hotblood starts flowing.

Yeah about Project Z/GaoGaiGo, I've seen the toys firsthand so I figured the Anime should be coming out soon...but I've been saying that for like at least a year now.

As for Betterman...eh, I kinda liked it. If only later knowing it would be the base for the expansion to the universe found in GaGaGa and the we-don't-know-if-it-will-actually-come-out Project Z/GaoGaiGo.
Hinoki was fun to watch!

Also, Did you hear Viral's voiceover for the preview for 16? "I WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUE POWER OF... THE SUMMARY EPISODE". That had best be a reference to GGG Final (I WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUE POWER OF COURAGE!). C'mon. Hiyama even used the same goddamned tone as he said it! Speaking of which, GL is just a huge GGG reunion tour it seems. Kamina was Volfogg, Viral was Guy (obviously), Thymilph was Palparepa, Kittan was Nail (from the 31 Primevals.) etc etc.

Hearing YushaOh! is always a treat, may it be a Anime or Game. Hopefully Viral will be a goodguy or neutral character, its kinda hard hearing a guy known for voicing some of the best Heroes of all time, I have a hard time seeing a villain role. And speaking of the voice acting in GuLa, yeah I noticed it.

[Hiryu no Ken]

hey shin, please read the entirety of my post before responding to it

[Shin ATproof]

I did read what you've posted and I don't feel it requires a response beyond the ones I (and others) have given already. Sorry if you feel differently about it.

[Hiryu no Ken]

So you're going to choose to ignore the primary point of my post and respond to half of it without that context.

Shin...

shin

what the

what

[Shin ATproof]

THIS?:
Shin, as an anime fan whose bread and butter genre is robot anime, I really haven't seen anything quite like Evangelion. I'm not going to argue that it's "innovative", but when you watch Eva, do you think "boy, this sure is a lot like Gundam"? Do you, really? Its direction and the way it analyzes its characters is just different from all of those shows.

The point you've made is:
-You claim to watch a lot of Anime, especially of the Mecha genre
-You don't think there has been an Anime that did anywhere close to what Eva did
-You've established the fact that one probably shouldn't think "Gundam" when watching Evangelion.

Okay...what exactly do you think is so vital that I need to address that hasn't been discussed in this thread already? Please...tell me.

[Izanami]

giant mech anime fight~

[blockhead]

I'm not HNK, but I play him on TV.

THIS?:


The point you've made is:
-You claim to watch a lot of Anime, especially of the Mecha genre

Correct.

-You don't think there has been an Anime that did anywhere close to what Eva did

There's absolutely nothing in HNK's post that says that. He said Evangelion is different from most other shows, but that doesn't necessarily imply it's achieved something other shows have been incapable of.

-You've established the fact that one probably shouldn't think "Gundam" when watching Evangelion.

That was an example supporting the same point I was arguing. There are a lot of mech shows which may share superficial traits or address the same themes as Evangelion, but there aren't really any shows that feel like Evangelion does, in terms of what it presents to the viewer and the means by which it does so. Hence, watching Gundam or whatever really wouldn't make anyone say "hey this show's like EVA", even if they're both shows featuring giant robots and lots of angst.

[Shin ATproof]

*vomits uncontrollably*

[bonertown]

Probably shouldn't have made the "IF YOU DONT LIKE THIS GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREAD" comment.

I was secretly hoping that we'd reach page 2 before gay crept in, but I forgot where I was.

[Izanami]

Argument ended in almost record time.

Now we can get back to why should we all care about the 6759403634th EVA release :smalltran

[Shin ATproof]

I'm still looking forward to seeing Anno's retcon/remake of Evangelion!

[Zazzarius]

i don't expect any change from the original's message of:

EVERYTHING YOU LOVE OR CARE ABOUT WILL DIE.
Have a nice day. :)

[EvilNeil]

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the thought of making Shinji 'manlier' and giving him an overall more heroic, self-improving story arc. I can't pretend I'm not loving the Sadamato manga (I trust we've all bought the recently-released volume 10?) - and that includes the firmer, braver Shinji and his warmer, more romantic, interesting relationship with Rei.

But at the same time I can't help but feel that there's something quintessentially EVA about his crapness, and the series' contempt both for him, the rest of the cast and also for we, the presumedly-nerdy viewing audience.

Maybe it's a bit of an exagerration, but I kind of feel that an EVA without twisted fucked-up worthless characters is like a new Dragonball series where all the characters sit down and talk their issues out, Star Trek TNG-style.

[Ultima]

Gotta disagree with Neil. While I was amazed by Eva the first time, the more I thought about it, the less I liked it. I agree 1000% with ShinAT when he says that Eva is a "character driven story without character development" - It's not even so much that Shinji is Charlie Brown to the factor of 10 and a whiney cunt at the end of the series, though that is a big factor, but the fact that he STARTS the series as a whiney cunt and, barring a few flashes here and there, remains that way throughout.

That's not "development". That's "stagnation". Character stagnation can be useful and even practical given the right story (see also: FFXII; oh shit, THE FLOOD GATES ARE OPEN NOW). But Eva seemed to thrive on digging into the characters, and the twisted fucked up worthless characters on the outside turned out to be... twisted fucked up worthless characters on the inside. Sorry, not interested.

I will agree that, while Eva didn't necessarily do anything "new" other than maybe really ramp up the religious symbolism, I would say it was done in a way that I had not encountered before, for better or for worse (more the latter). I definitely can't say I've seen any other series shit all over it's own story half-way through for no apparent reason, but that could be just because I haven't seen enough anime.

TO THIS FUCKING DAY, I've yet to get an explanation for who/what exactly the angels were and where they came from.

re: topic

So what exactly are these new movies? Are they going to retcon the ending into something that isn't shit this time?

EDIT:

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebuild_of_Evangelion) is your friend.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

I still wonder why ShinAT is so ANGRY at Eva for how it fucked up the Mech genre if it really was like every series before it.

Neil: Yeah, that's really an exaggeration. Manga Shinji is a bit less pathetic and sometimes grows balls, but that's all.

While I was amazed by Eva the first time, the more I thought about it, the less I liked it.

I (for different reasons, though) think the same. Maybe you should try the manga.

It's not even so much that Shinji is Charlie Brown to the factor of 10 and a whiney cunt at the end of the series, though that is a big factor, but the fact that he STARTS the series as a whiney cunt and, barring a few flashes here and there, remains that way throughout.

And the problem is? Would have it been better if he suddenly becomes a brave, highly skilled Gundam pilot by the end of the series? I don't see why that would necessarily be a good thing.

Also, you are forgetting the rest of the cast, which is as important as Shinji. Not all characters remain the same, especially not people like Asuka and Misato.

I definitely can't say I've seen any other series shit all over it's own story half-way through for no apparent reason, but that could be just because I haven't seen enough anime.

You mean turning from mediocre into decent halfway through? I can't see how the first half is any better than the second one, except for that pathetic excuse for an ending (specifically made to sell the movie).

[Vincent]

I'm only wondering what kind of mind-fucking imagery is going to be conjured up for Rebuild of Evangelion's last moments.

[ICEMAN299]

Gotta disagree with Neil. While I was amazed by Eva the first time, the more I thought about it, the less I liked it. I agree 1000% with ShinAT when he says that Eva is a "character driven story without character development" - It's not even so much that Shinji is Charlie Brown to the factor of 10 and a whiney cunt at the end of the series, though that is a big factor, but the fact that he STARTS the series as a whiney cunt and, barring a few flashes here and there, remains that way throughout.

That's not "development". That's "stagnation". Character stagnation can be useful and even practical given the right story (see also: FFXII; oh shit, THE FLOOD GATES ARE OPEN NOW). But Eva seemed to thrive on digging into the characters, and the twisted fucked up worthless characters on the outside turned out to be... twisted fucked up worthless characters on the inside. Sorry, not interested.



There may have not been any "development", but it's more of a veil being slowly removed from the character's traits or drawing them more out to more extremes in the later part of the series. There are chinks in the armor for most of the main characters, and as the series progressed, especially by midway, they had been exposed for who they were. Asuka for example, put up a front of being proud, boastful, and all together. Later on , we find out this is far from the case after being upstaged, getting her ass kicked, and being mentally raped (I guess?).


TO THIS FUCKING DAY, I've yet to get an explanation for who/what exactly the angels were and where they came from.


Angels came from Adam, humans from Lilith. Humans ate from tree of knowledge, angels ate from the tree of life. The movie even says humans are angels, and that since humans ate from the tree of knowledge, this is why they can use technology, learn, etc., angels on the other hand are just strong.

[Nezumiiro]

Wouldn't it be soooo fucked up (but par for course) if they changed damn near everything, and completely got rid of a good 75% or more of all that is familiar Evangelion....

ONLY TO HAVE IT END THE EXACT GODDAMN SAME WAY?

[Shin ATproof]

Angels came from Adam, humans from Lilith. Humans ate from tree of knowledge, angels ate from the tree of life. The movie even says humans are angels, and that since humans ate from the tree of knowledge, this is why they can use technology, learn, etc., angels on the other hand are just strong.

Hopefully the Rebuild of Evangelion will actually explain and elaborate key plot elements within the series instead of making people read Eva related books, play Eva video games and buy special edition DVDs to make sense of some plot holes and make a complete story. I'd love that. The Angels are explained in some detail in the TV series but the origins of Adam and Lilith which elaborate on the origins of Angels and Lilim are only explained IIRC, in the video game, Neon Genesis Evangelion 2; which speak of the "First Ancestral Race" and how creation of Angels and Lilim/Humanity on the same planet was a mistake by these progenitor super-beings. As to the goal/purpose of the "First Ancestral Race" "seeding" the universe, thats still been left unanswered. Once again, hopefully Rebuild of Evangelion will answer all questions, close up loose ends and offer a single truth for viewers to take home.

[Izanami]

And the problem is? Would have it been better if he suddenly becomes a brave, highly skilled Gundam pilot by the end of the series? I don't see why that would necessarily be a good thing.

That isn't what some people always expect - they want to see some development in the character. Surely one character can't stay fucking annoying forever but Shinji seems to manage it. Oh well :(

Also, you are forgetting the rest of the cast, which is as important as Shinji. Not all characters remain the same, especially not people like Asuka and Misato.

I think Misato changed for the worst and Asuka...fuck, I never liked her at all, but she went from being harsh to relatively sympathetic in mere moments. I guess she had plenty of time to switch character, even though she wasn't in the series for nearly as long as other characters.

You mean turning from mediocre into decent halfway through? I can't see how the first half is any better than the second one, except for that pathetic excuse for an ending (specifically made to sell the movie).

I thought it got silly past the halfway mark - pure madness. Now there are multiple endings, I don't know if I can personally be bothered to watch any more of them :/

[Ultima]

Garga:

See what Zakuta said. I don't need SHinji to turn into Keith, but for chrissakes, let him grow some stones. As I said, the fact that he starts and ends the series as a whiny cunt is what drags a lot of it down for me. His character seems specifically designed to turn people off - well, colour me turned off.

I'd chalk having a thoroughly unlikeable and unenviable character (as presented in the anime) like Shinji as your main character as being pretty original, BTW.

Asuka is one of the better characters. Actually, she's my favourite character in the series, besides Misato.

And the show kept the religious symbolism and mystery nuttiness to a decent level up to the halfway point in the show. Then after that, they ramped up the stupidity and confusion to extreme levels, topped off with an ending that was obviously a gigantic FUCK YOU NERDS to everyone who wanted to see the story end. Though I'm not sure how much of that was intentional - didn't they run out of funding along the way, which forced them to do drastic animation cutbacks, often in a (unintentionally) hilarious manner? You could make a drinking game out of all the ways Gainax managed to eat up time without actually animating anything.

That said, ShinAT is right: I did some reading on Wikipedia, and finally got a better handle on this angel crap thing. As he said, apparently there's a lot of info that's only found in the NGE2 game, which is considered canon to the story, which explains the deal with Adam and Lilith and the Lance of Longinus, and the notion of the "First Ancestral Race". This explanation was not found in the original series itself, and is only vaguely alluded to.

Explaining this stuff in the movies and all the other stuff not actually mentioned in the show will go a long way to "salvaging" Eva for me. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Eva or think it "ruined the mech genre" or anything, though I do think the original series is a tad overrated. But I should not have to read books, play games, and watch special edition DVDs just to get a reasonably clear understanding of a show's plot.

This is the reason why I always say "Xenogears is Evangelion done right". They're both hilariously overly-pretentious and are unnecessarily confusing due to heavy religious imagery and obtuse terms, not to mention both have some mentally fucked up main characters, but unlike Eva, you can actually discern XG's overall plot just from playing the game itself. Sure, they may be a few bits that are unclear here and there that you might need to go digging through translations of Xenogears:Perfect Works to find out, but overall, though it make take a couple playthroughs, you can get 95% of the plot from within the game itself. Eva's level of understanding from the show itself is a lot lower - maybe 60%. >:|

Man. I really need to play XG again. It's been 3 years since my last playthrough.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

Surely one character can't stay fucking annoying forever but Shinji seems to manage it.

Of course someone can be annoying forever. Just watch some people on this forum :smalltran

I think Misato changed for the worst and Asuka...fuck, I never liked her at all, but she went from being harsh to relatively sympathetic in mere moments. I guess she had plenty of time to switch character, even though she wasn't in the series for nearly as long as other characters.

I don't think they "changed", just that their true intentions and personalities were revealed.

See what Zakuta said. I don't need SHinji to turn into Keith, but for chrissakes, let him grow some stones. As I said, the fact that he starts and ends the series as a whiny cunt is what drags a lot of it down for me.

Well, that's okay, but that's not (necessarily) something bad. There are people that are born as faggots and die as faggots. Anime Shinji is like that, and while that may turn you off, it's not something to point as a flaw. If there are sympathetic villains in some series, there can be pathetic heroes too.

Again, I recommend you to read the manga. It cuts off a lot of superficial stuff, Shinji is not that retarded, some events are changed for the better, and everything makes more sense.

And the show kept the religious symbolism and mystery nuttiness to a decent level up to the halfway point in the show.

Up to the halfway point it was an average anime with some interesting aesthetic ideas and a faggot as the main character. Most chapters really do nothing at all for the plot, and little to portray the characters. That's why I think that Eva is saved, not doomed by the last half. And regarding the ending...

Then after that, they ramped up the stupidity and confusion to extreme levels, topped off with an ending that was obviously a gigantic FUCK YOU NERDS to everyone who wanted to see the story end.

... it's effectively retarded. It was an excuse to sell the movie. I don't know if that was because they spent all the money by chapter 24, but I guess it was just a commercial move.

Explaining this stuff in the movies and all the other stuff not actually mentioned in the show will go a long way to "salvaging" Eva for me.[...]

I don't understand that need to explain everything in some people (that even ruined some things for me, like Donnie Darko), leaving nothing to imagination. That said, I respect Evangelion for how it revolutionized anime as a whole, I liked it the first time I watched it, but I can't say I like it now.

This is the reason why I always say "Xenogears is Evangelion done right". [...]

I can agree with Xenogears being Eva done right (hell, Krelian's plan is almost a carbon copy of the Human Instrumentality Project, IIRC). It's a shame that most of the 2nd CD ruins the game a lot. There needs to be a proper remake of that game. By the way, I consider it to be a lot more confusing and complex than Eva.

[blockhead]

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Direct footage of the Rebuild trailer.

I can't wait!

[Ultima]

Garga:

I have little interest in pathetic heroes. Especially static pathetic heroes. And even then, SHinji is..., I dunno, shin pathetic hero (no pun intended). Cloud is a pathetic hero who looks like Samuel Jackson compared to SHinji.

I think the movie was done in response to the hate they got for the original eps 25 & 26, not something that was planned. It was just FUCK YOU NERDS:SECOND IMPACT.

Also, I do not require everything to be explained. Eva, though, left waaaay too much unexplained. It was the unnecessary confusing plot + shitty characters that brings down Eva for me. Eva with the same shitty characters, but a much more coherent plot, would go a long way to sitting right with me.

The more I played XG, the less I thought about how the second disc ruins the game. Yes, it drags it down quite a bit, but not enough to ruin it. And you'rre right: it IS more potentially confusing and complex than Eva, seemingly, which goes to show how much better XG is because the game itself gives nearly all the details you need to work out the plot. Can't say the same for the Eva anime...

[EvilNeil]

Though I'm not sure how much of that was intentional - didn't they run out of funding along the way, which forced them to do drastic animation cutbacks, often in a (unintentionally) hilarious manner?
I only have some of the story, but IIRC the funding was cut dramatically due to sponsors pulling out (they objected to the violence in the UNIT 03 episode.)

This, coupled with rapidly-decreasing working conditions led to a massive downturn in staff morale - which the team decided to run with, and let it influence the story and characters, to a quite obvious degree.

So it works that way too, as a visual record of an animation studio's mental breakdown. :D

I've never heard of the ending, shit as it is, being anything other than the result of this combination of fucked-up workers and budget cuts. I've certainly never read about it being done deliberately as a movie tie-in.

[EvilNeil]

Once again, hopefully Rebuild of Evangelion will answer all questions, close up loose ends and offer a single truth for viewers to take home.
But the thing is I don't really want that. When I think of how much fun I've had over the years, discussing and reading about the series; about how well it stands up to rewatchings due to the incredible information overload that makes each repeat viewing a different experience - can you see how, from my perspective, you're actively trying to end all that? What are we going to do with our 'single truths' when we've got them? And will it be the equal to finally tracking down the Red Cross Book after hearing about it for years, or looking up random religious info in the hope of making some vague connection that no-one has made before, or arguing for hours about scenes or characters, or transcribing rare untranslated deleted laserdisc scenes?

I don't think it will, and I don't really want to sacrifice that solely for the sake of 'knowing what happened' (which is a totally overrated reason for watching any film or TV BTW. I blame LOST.)

I think what you're saying will be what will happens, perhaps not to the neat & tidy degree you seem to be hoping for, but I have a suspicion, given the way that Gainax have been trying to repackage the series as a more down-to-earth, viewer-friendly experience with the games and both the Sadamoto manga and that unbearable 'Angelic Days' thing, that it's on the cards.

It really boils down to what I want, vs what you want - not much we can do about that apart from throw insults about the place. So, er, why don't you go and watch Beast Wars or something instead, you FAGGOT.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

Ultima:

The characters are okay. Them having shit, tormented personalities doesn't mean that they are shitty characters. They just aren't your typical flawless, omnipotent anime heroes.

As for the plot, from chapter 16 to 24, it's quite good. I see nothing confusing to the point of making you feel completely lost about what's happening, so I'm fine with it. I think Eva's problem are the episodes before 16; around half of them are completely irrelevant. And chapters 25-26, of course.

About Xenogears... I played it only once, and while I was amazed by the first CD, the second one was a pain for me to endure. It gets good again around the last fight against Mr. Thou, but sincerely I played everything before that event because I couldn't believe that such a great game could crumble like that just by swapping disks.

[Shin ATproof]

But the thing is I don't really want that. When I think of how much fun I've had over the years, discussing and reading about the series; about how well it stands up to rewatchings due to the incredible information overload that makes each repeat viewing a different experience - can you see how, from my perspective, you're actively trying to end all that? What are we going to do with our 'single truths' when we've got them? And will it be the equal to finally tracking down the Red Cross Book after hearing about it for years, or looking up random religious info in the hope of making some vague connection that no-one has made before, or arguing for hours about scenes or characters, or transcribing rare untranslated deleted laserdisc scenes?

I don't think it will, and I don't really want to sacrifice that solely for the sake of 'knowing what happened' (which is a totally overrated reason for watching any film or TV BTW. I blame LOST.)

I think what you're saying will be what will happens, perhaps not to the neat & tidy degree you seem to be hoping for, but I have a suspicion, given the way that Gainax have been trying to repackage the series as a more down-to-earth, viewer-friendly experience with the games and both the Sadamoto manga and that unbearable 'Angelic Days' thing, that it's on the cards.

I'm all for the "open to interpretation" aspects in a story because I'm totally down for literary works that leave the readers/audience with different thoughts and feelings that lead to discussions and debates. I like being given hints to parts of story that are cleverly scattered like pieces of a puzzle; so then at the end, I can put them together and make a complete picture or "truth" that the writer(s) intended me to see. That is cool shit and I'm queer for that, so long as the story as I have read/seen it is complete and self-contained.

My problem with the story in Evangelion, more precisely the Anime, is that a lot of the mysteries and "open to interpretation" bits were basically just incomplete or unexplained parts of the story that were only later fleshed out and answered after the TV series was made. The answers people were looking for that largely became the center of discussion regarding the interpretation of key characters and events came out in form of movies, guidebooks, mangas and video games. People were finally given a complete perspective of all the characters and events, its just in a series of afterthoughts. Now that we know the plot and script for the TV series was being written and revised during the production and airing, it is not surprising to know Evangelion has always been a "work in progress".

This is why I hope that the Rebuild of Evangelion when Anno speaking of a "re-envision/re-imagining" of the series, he means that the story will include all the post-TVseries information into those 4 movies that offers a complete view of the series for new as well as the old viewers.

I think thats a marvelous idea for people that have always loved Eva, like you and people that have hated Eva, like me.

Edit:

It really boils down to what I want, vs what you want - not much we can do about that apart from throw insults about the place. So, er, why don't you go and watch Beast Wars or something instead, you FAGGOT.

LOL dude, too good.

[EvilNeil]

My problem with the story in Evangelion, more precisely the Anime, is that a lot of the mysteries and "open to interpretation" bits were basically just incomplete or unexplained parts of the story that were only later fleshed out and answered after the TV series was made. The answers people were looking for that largely became the center of discussion regarding the interpretation of key characters and events came out in form of movies, guidebooks, mangas and video games. People were finally given a complete perspective of all the characters and events, its just in a series of afterthoughts. Now that we know the plot and script for the TV series was being written and revised during the production and airing, it is not surprising to know Evangelion has always been a "work in progress".
See now, I still don't believe there is a complete, final answer. There are clues all over the place but I don't believe, due to its incomplete nature, troubled production history and elusive, ocassionally frustrating methods of providing and removing information, that it will ever just all fit, neatly in to place.

That's why I never use the 'you don't get it' argument on the subject (apart from the fact it's a crap one anyway) - because there isn't an ultimate 'truth' behind the series, one that if you know and understand will totally transform your opinion on the series, and I have to say I'm quite happy with that.

[Onimaru]

As much as I think Evangelion is an overrated B-List product, that animation looks gosh-durn purdy so I'll steal this from the internet ASAP

Man...if they redo the Eva 01/02 tag team fight with EVEN FANCIER animation @_@

Come to think of it, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're going to deliver a much more focused, satisfying product here with characters that are more likeable (see: the manga) and an emotionally satisfying ending! Then again maybe not

[EvilNeil]

And maybe Shinji will finally become the Hokage of Leaf Village!!!!

I'm reading this (http://www.evacommentary.org/misc-files/nge2ci_temp.txt), a translation of the secret info files on the PS2 game 'Neon Genesis Evangelion(s)2', that Shin mentioned earlier.

What's all this about the 'First Ancestral Race'? See this is why I often don't like in-depth explanations and neat closure in this sort of thing, because when you get down to it, you realise that a lot of writers just aren't up to the job, and that years of vague suggestion and religious misdirection have created a far more interesting, powerful and evocative backstory than would have come about deliberately.

Adam and Lilith are just aliens? Remnants of a galactic life-seeding operation? That's rubbish. I really hope that whole thing stays in the limbo of vague, confused semi-canon where it belongs.

[EvilNeil]

This on the other hand is quite good;
Initially, the White Moon -- containing Adam -- fell to Earth. The Black Moon, which originally should have gone to a different solar system, was captured by Earth's gravity, and, after it crashed into the Earth's surface and bounced, it became a satellite orbiting the planet. It left behind only its ruins and remained in the heavens, and Lilith, the Seed that the Black Moon had carried, was implanted into Earth. Lilith's landing site is believed to have been in the vicinity of what is now called the South Pole, but it was later moved by tectonic plates, ultimately as far as the Hakone region of Japan. That site is the giant cavern of Hakone, and the future Nerv Headquarters would be constructed here.
-- if only for the image of the moon bouncing off the Earth's surface like some immense stone beachball.

I bet Tina could still spike it, though.

[Onimaru]

Come now Mssr. Neil, surely you don't think that a degree of closure and a satisfying resolution to the character's arc (even if it's not a happy one) is the same thing as Shinji getting married to Asuka and becoming President of Nerv

[Ultima]

Yeah really. Neil is basically saying EVA IS SHIT AND I *LIKE* IT THAT WAY.

Wanting to tie up loose ends with information that is already there, just scattered across multiple sources is a huge difference from a super happy funtime ending like in one of the possible realities shown in ep 26 (or was it 25?). Hell, as I said, I wouldn't mind if Rebuild of Eva proceeded exactly as Eva up to EoE, but WITH the additional information that's out there so that it makes more sense.

Quite frankly, while it may have been interesting as an exercise in showing the creators' own troubles as they made the series, I think "infecting" the show with the troubled production brings down the product. I also can't imagine "shit production fucking up the story" getting defended anywhere else.

All this talk about the First Ancestral Race should have been more explicitly mentioned in the series than just two extremely vague throwaway lines. Note to Neil: This may not have been fleshed out in the series, but it's apparently there, though again, only in extremely vague fashion: they had mentioned that the White Moon where Adam was found and the Black Moon where Lilith was found looked like they were "clearly artificial" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_glossary#First_Ancestral_R ace), which meant that someone had created it. So it's not really semi-canon. And considering their huge role in the whole thing, the origin of Adam and Lilith (and the Lance of Longinus; considering how important it is, I always wondered where the fuck did THAT come from?) IS something that should be explained proper in the series itself, your love of the current incomplete, befuddled mess can go to hell. :p

Even with all of the information available, there's still plenty that's not expounded on, like Lilith's role in the war between humans and angels, what happened to the other Lance of Longinus (likely destroyed when the Black Moon collided with the earth, but not confirmed), etc.

Garga:

You've only played XG once? That's a no no. XG makes MUCH more sense (hell, I'd go so far as to say that it only makes sense) when you play it twice. That's because the game has no built-in information directory like the Xenosaga games, so playing it twice is the only way to keep track of the many little things that you can miss. I know I always have trouble trying to remember all the terms that start with the letter "M", and I've played through the game about 5 times already.

If you know what you're doing, you can speed through the crap part of disc 2 in under 5 hours. And that's if you spend time trying to build levels and earn money along the way.

[Onimaru]

I wouldn't even really care if they just ignored the unsolved mysteries shit about teh background story and whatnot and just had better endings in terms of what happens to the characters. Take Cowboy Bebop--that show has a great ending because you're introduced to the character, you see what makes him tick, and then you see his fate as a logical extension of his actions. By contrast Evangelion is more

Here is Shinji
Here is what makes him tick
Here is a totally periphery series of conspiratorial weirdness that results at putting him in the center of a cosmic clusterfuck

And while that's arguably more realistic, it's not as good in terms of storytelling. When everybody starts dying and the End of the World kicks into gear it's not a "NOOOOOOOO!" moment but more of a "What, really?" moment because there had only been the VAGUEST HINT of the back and forth between Gendo and Seele having consequences on this level. Not to mention the juxtaposition of "Here are some cold blooded special forces motherfuckers--they're here to find a weird egg thing and kick start the end of the world" is kind of disorienting itself.

Then we get the actual ending sequence with all the people turning into LCL and Shinji sitting in the middle of a lovely folk song about the world ending which, quite frankly, feels...arbitrary. I mean I understand the how (err sorta) and why of it but...to me, Eva's final sequence is the narrative equivalent of "Superhero X is being mind controlled! Now they must fight Superhero Y"--in the sense that it's a bit contrived of a scenario cooked up just set the stage for this particular thing the creator wants. I don't mind that the the majority of the cast ends up croaking. I don't mind that there are bizarre Aramageddon-y things going on. Just..make it a little more personal, would you?

[EvilNeil]

But you're both still saying you want it all on a plate, neatly arranged, so you can watch it once, and 'get' it and then put it away, neatly compartmentalised. See I think this is where most NGE discussions break down into insults, because what you're asking for is very easily misread. But I don't think you're stupid, I don't even really think you're lazy, it's just that it's becoming clear that you're not interested in spending years picking over the contents of an animated TV series, either of you.

Which is fair enough. But that doesn't change the fact that I am interested, and it doesn't matter how many reductio ad absurdum story examples you come up with to 'prove' something doesn't make sense (especially as most of the time there is an explanation if you can make the effort to dig a little) - none of them make it 'bad' or 'wrong', just different.

[Blitzkrieg]

No! No! Don't explain Adam and Lilith! Keep them celestial (without being aliens), mysterious, and godlike. I love the fact that we don't know what they are. But I guess they're gods either way, since they have the ability to send messengers of doom and bring about the apocalypse no matter what their origin.

Admittedly, yes, they should've explained the Lance a bit since it comes off as "hey, here's an important thing". Then, of course, it starts morphing and flying and people are gasping about it, but the viewer has no reason to care (so they just throw it on the moon).



Now, here's where I try to defend Shinji.

Okay, now don't laugh. All throughout the series, Shinji is emotionally alone. When he opens up, he hurts others and others hurt him so he increasingly sinks into his avoidant personality. It's his malaise of loneliness, apathy, and self-loathing that makes him seem "static". And in the TV ending, that's where he stays. He would rather accept a dream world of his own creation than continue feeling scared and being hurt in the real world. So, yes, in the TV series, he just takes his loneliness to its ultimate conclusion and fabricates a world for himself, free of pain. The highest form of running away.

In the movie is where he makes a change. He sees that a regression into fantasy is in fact the ultimate loneliness. Nothing is real, so he might as well not even exist. He ends up reversing his whole outlook. Complete seclusion, he now believes, is more painful than the risk of hurting and being hurt by others. When he's granted that, immediately after regaining consciousness, he takes his newfound outlook, mounts Asuka, and chokes her. She raises her arm and tenderly (almost lovingly) strokes Shinji's face. Ah, a real emotional connection. That's something Shinji could never get in his alternate afterlife. Overcome with the realization that he's in a world where he has an effect on others, his actions can bring about change, and it's what he wanted all along makes him break down and cry. To which Asuka responds, "How disgusting."

Hahaha, how fitting. I love it.

[Trucutru]

Did the creators even have an explanation for all the mysterious crap when they where doing the tv series? If there is something I have learned about modern japanese stories is that most of the time the authors do not give a crap about having a tight internal logic, if it is something cool then it's *in* and damned be everything else. (man, Diavolo's stand ability was fucked up)

Evangelion has had a decade to clean its mess with new "extremely confidential and important info" given by the movies, games, manga, Rei sex-dolls, etc. which, unsurprisingly, is used as a hook to get people to buy them. I truly do not believe that all those details were even conceived (and even less fleshed-out) by 1996 and are just ways to retroactively fill the huge plot holes in the series.

Also, Shinji is a monumental faggot and I eagerly await his further humiliation in these new movies.

[Izanami]

This series is fucked - just like FFVII! How comes both titles had to have 653402 extra trinkets added just for them to make more sense? Is immediate closure forbidden in Japan?

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[Samuel X]

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[Ultima]

Sam X wins.

Zakuta:

I'd have to disagree with the FFVII comparison. COmpared to Eva, FFVII makes perfect sense. While FFVII has some vague parts to it, it's far FAR less than the incomplete mess of Eva.

Neil:

You're right: I am NOT interested in pouring over details for an anime (especially an anime with characters I don't particularly like) for years. Moreover, the fact that you HAVE to pour over details for years, and have to scrape information from several different sources, just to get something resembling the full picture, is, quite frankly, piss-poor story-telling. Even the staunchest fans of Street Fighter's story (such as it is) will tell you that the fact that you have to go hunting for snippets of info across dozens of (mainly non-english) books just to get an idea of what happened/what happens is by far the worst aspect of it. It's not "different", it's rubbish.

I have no problem pouring over something (hell, I'm a tourney gay, after all), be it in gameplay or story. I love digging through Xenogears' story and finding new details (so... many... details) after all this time. But 95% of XG's story can be found in the game itself if you look hard enough (and maybe have a notebook to write stuff down). Eva just has huge gigantic pieces of the puzzle missing from the anime itself that were filled in afterwards, basically forcing you to do work if you want to understand the story beyond a superficial level.

That's a terrible way to go about things: You reward your fans for digging deeper, you don't punish them for not digging.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

You are still saying the same thing with a different wording.

Anime Evangelion gives you all the info you need to understand what's happening. If you want to delve deeper for stuff like the black moon and things like that, that's entirely your choice.
There's no need to add explanations for everything like you want. The manga gets it right and while it changes lots of things (mostly the stuff that really needed to change), it doesn't add tons of info.

And the parallel with Street Fighter is pretty poor, since you have to get data from lots of different sources because the games generally don't give you even the most basic information about the plot or the characters. You probably won't understand what the fuck is happening in the game's plot only with in-game info, but you can understand what's happening in Evangelion just by watching it.

[Ultima]

> Anime Evangelion gives you all the info you need to understand what's happening.

Not it doesn't. That is blatantly false. Certainly not in any way that is at all understandable. Unless you want to try and convince me that "clearly artificial/almost entirely artificial" = stuff about First Ancestral race, two seeds of life never supposed to be on the same planet, black moon bouncing off the earth and forming the moon, and where the Lance of Longinus comes from. This isn't superficial extraneous stuff - this is stuff that DIRECTLY relates to the plot!

If you got all that from those two throwaway lines, then congratulations, because you're obviously psychic and way, way smarter than everybody else here.

> you can understand what's happening in Evangelion just by watching it.

Evidently you're the only one, because no one else thinks that (even Neil, the show's staunchest supporter, is supporting it because he has spent years trying to piece together the story from various sources). I salute you sir.

The reason I bring up SF is because, like Eva for us mere mortals, to get a reasonable understanding of the story, you have to piece it together from multiple sources. I'm arguing with Neil that this is a bad thing, his enjoyment of the process be damned, because I can't think of any other area where such a practice would be defended. Not unless you like huge gaming plot holes and confusing exposition. Perhaps it's just me.

Then again, I guess it's good from a business sense: Make teh fanz confused so they have to buy more crap to understand it all. >:|

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

Not it doesn't. That is blatantly false. [...]

And how does all that stuff make you not understand what's happening?

Evidently you're the only one [...]

Evidently you aren't understanding what I'm saying. If you mean having to read the Red Cross Book, that doesn't explain a thing about the plot. It's just a glossary. It's accessory and you won't understand the anime any better after reading that. And most of the stuff in there is already explained in the anime, anyways.

Getting info about the biblical references is even more accessory. If you want to know about them, do your own research. The show doesn't need to explain that.

You could complain if the show didn't give you info about the Impacts, about the Angels, about Seele's or Gendo's plan, about Adam, about why the fuck the Eva 01 suddenly acts on its own, etc. Then you would be missing vital information to understand the plot. Your complaints are mostly irrelevant if your goal is to understand what's happening through the series.

If you want to get answers to everything, that's fine and Gainax periodically feeds the fans with new bits of info. But the anime is understandable without them.

The reason I bring up SF is because, like Eva for us mere mortals, to get a reasonable understanding of the story, you have to piece it together from multiple sources.

But the example is failed because you don't need to get info from multiple sources to get a reasonable understanding of Evangelion's story. The necessary info is already there, unlike SF.

Then again, I guess it's good from a business sense: Make teh fanz confused so they have to buy more crap to understand it all. >:|

Of course this remake's main goal is to make money off the fans that will buy anything, but that's not because they "confused" them.

[blockhead]

You could complain if the show didn't give you info about the Impacts, about the Angels, about Seele's or Gendo's plan, about Adam, about why the fuck the Eva 01 suddenly acts on its own, etc. Then you would be missing vital information to understand the plot. Your complaints are mostly irrelevant if your goal is to understand what's happening through the series.

If you want to get answers to everything, that's fine and Gainax periodically feeds the fans with new bits of info. But the anime is understandable without them.

Seconding this.

Aside from SURPRISE! LANCE OF LONGINUS, the basic plot of Evangelion is completely understandable. I'm fine with Gainax leaving some details to fan speculation; like Neil said, I don't really see a need for them to spell everything out. A little mystery is fine.

[Kenji]

Y'know, outside of a slew of origin-based questions, I've really never gotten that there was a great deal of holes and technobable in Eva. Aside from fleshing out details on their post-apocalypic world--specifically what the UN did and how Tokyo 3 and Germany came to be the Nerv mainstay powers, I'm not seeing a lot of honest need for the extra information. It's the typical author's technique, withholding or ignoring things that won't directly advance plot.

Running a parallel to Naruto, knowing what's in Uchiha's happy hidden shrine is likely relevant to the plot, so we can expect to see it brought to light again, one day. But where the Angel's came from, the moons, etc...it's not relevant. Not from the POVs the story gave us--that of the spineless brat with a startlingly low security clearance. Also recall that the only other POV option the audience has is Misato--Gendo is a bastard and has to be potrayed as such, Ritsuko is the double-face right into the end (And then there was Kaji). Certainly they could have squeezed that info in, and certainly they can squeeze that info in. But they've already shown that they didn't need to.

Unless there are some very specific "WTF was THIS happen for" questions that I'm completely overlooking. Besides the Lance, which I'd want to know about myself. But generally, I don't see EVA as "full of holes" anymore than I'd see Star Trek, Star Wars, or any other major wolrd-builder story. Agreeing with Neil--they don't need to squeeze every detail and then some into the remake.

For one thing, people will switch to bitching about how long the explinations take place. :smalltran:

[Internet]

Seconding this.

Aside from SURPRISE! LANCE OF LONGINUS, the basic plot of Evangelion is completely understandable. I'm fine with Gainax leaving some details to fan speculation; like Neil said, I don't really see a need for them to spell everything out. A little mystery is fine.
Can you explain it to me?

[Shin ATproof]

Of course this remake's main goal is to make money off the fans that will buy anything, but that's not because they "confused" them.

While a main goal for these new movies is to make more cash off the Evangelion franchise, IIRC Anno's words regarding Rebuild of Evangelion were:

"It will be a work that can be enjoyed even if you have not seen the TV series. I want old hard-core fans and even fans who just know Eva from pachinko to view it as a single (i.e. stand-alone) movie. We welcome first-time viewers, so the contents will be simpler, but we don’t intend to make something on a level that can be understood just by spacing out and watching it.

When you say 'Eva' there are probably people who are reminded
of a worldview steeped in mystery, but this time it looks like those
types of elements will be kept to a minimum.

This is because techniques such as intentionally scattering difficult to understand phrases to create uncertainty are 12 years old. The essence of this project is to foil all expectations that everyone has towards Eva. "

The story in Evangelion has always been a work in progress. This statement by Gainax (Anno) once again shows that although the TVseries storyline was a mess and that over the years the writers have gone to great lengths to edit or completely rewrite the universe to make a complete and concise story. This isn't saying that before the movies, guidebooks, manga and games that one couldn't grasp the basic plot; the main complaint by people is the lack of information pertaining to key characters, events and objects that are central to the narration were only later added or fleshed out AFTER the original source material (the TVseries). Had all the post TVseries information been available from the start, there wouldn't be any need for fans to analyze and debate tiny nuggets of cryptic information that only got a real explaination years later.

Seriously dude, the First Ancestral Race (LOL Protoculture) story is a literal N2 bomb of info that became a solid foundation that revised previous facts in the story, expanded the universe and answered questions in the story that were vaguely answered (if even that)...and it came out almost 10 years after the original source material.

[Shin ATproof]

While a main goal for these new movies is to make more cash off the Evangelion franchise, IIRC Anno's words regarding Rebuild of Evangelion were:

"It will be a work that can be enjoyed even if you have not seen the TV series. I want old hard-core fans and even fans who just know Eva from pachinko to view it as a single (i.e. stand-alone) movie. We welcome first-time viewers, so the contents will be simpler, but we don’t intend to make something on a level that can be understood just by spacing out and watching it.

When you say 'Eva' there are probably people who are reminded
of a worldview steeped in mystery, but this time it looks like those
types of elements will be kept to a minimum.

This is because techniques such as intentionally scattering difficult to understand phrases to create uncertainty are 12 years old. The essence of this project is to foil all expectations that everyone has towards Eva. "

Apparently Anno can suck his own dick and services himself during interviews.
The smug son of a bitch also said:


"Many different desires are motivating us to create the new "Evangelion" film.

The desire to portray my sincere feelings on film.
The desire to share, with an audience, the embodiment of image, the diversity of expressions, and the detailed portrayal of emotions that animation offers.
The desire to connect today's exhausted Japanese animation [industry] to the future.
The desire to fight the continuing trend of stagnation in anime.
The desire to support the strength of heart that exists in the world.

Finally, the desire to have these wishes be realized.

For these purposes, we used the best methods available to us to make another Evangelion film.
Many times we wondered, "It's a title that's more than 10 years old. Why now?"
"Eva is too old", we felt.
However, over the past 12 years, there has been no anime newer than Eva.

Specifically, among the stagnant mood of the present day, it is the portrayal of will - not technology - that is most important.
To support the fans that support animation, we felt that a work that would appeal to middle and high school-aged men, who quickly grow away from Anime, was necessary.
When we decided that we wanted to something to support the anime [industry] of today, the determination to return to this title was strong.

As the creator of this project, [I assure you that] a very new-feeling Evangelion world has beeen constructed.
For this purpose, we are not returning to our roots at Gainax. I have set up a production company and studio, and it is in this new setting that we will start again.
Without looking back, without admiration for the circumstances, we aim to walk towards the future.
Thankfully, we have gathered staff from the old series, new staff, and many other fantastic staff to work on this series.
We realize that we are creating something that will be better than the last series.

”Eva" is a story that repeats.
It is a story where the main character witnesses many horrors with his own eyes, but still tries to stand up again.
It is a story of will; a story of moving forward, if only just a little.
It is a story of fear, where someone who must face indefinite solitude fears reaching out to others, but still wants to try.
We hope that you look forward to the 4 new retellings of this story.

In closing, it is also our job to provide a service to our customers.
Although it seems obvious, we aim to create a form of entertainment that anyone can look forward to; one that people who have never seen Evangelion can easily adjust to, one that can engage audiences as a movie for theatres, and one that produces a new understanding of the world.

This fall, we hope you can join us."

He's so humble about his work, its really touching.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

This statement by Gainax (Anno) once again shows that although the TVseries storyline was a mess

That statement by Anno shows that he's great at marketing.

Seriously dude, the First Ancestral Race (LOL Protoculture) story is a literal N2 bomb of info that became a solid foundation that revised previous facts in the story, expanded the universe and answered questions in the story that were vaguely answered (if even that)...and it came out almost 10 years after the original source material.

The First Ancestral Race story is a retarded concept (like the other stuff they added in that game: F-Type Equipment and the Jet Alone Prime) Gainax created to sell their presumably shitty game. It's completely unnecesary and does nothing (good) for the plot.

[blockhead]

lol shinAT mad

Can you explain it to me?

Some aliens from outer space come to earth looking for a buddy of theirs and NERV recruits some fucked up teens to kill them with giant robots.

See, simple.

[Trucutru]

Some protoculture dudes seed the galaxy with giant spheres containing a primordial being and a lance that can kill it (in case shit happens). They seed multiple planets but, as usual, in Earth (and more specifically Japan) something goes wrong and it gets *two* spheres. In one was Adam and in the other Lilith. Adam's descendants are the Angels and Lilith's humanity. Of course, having the two types in the same planet means than eventually the shit is going to hit the fan, as it does (see note).

Then, as blockhead said, NERV recruits some fucked up teens to kill them with giant robots (that are actually something like clones from Adam that have acquired the souls of the fucked up teens even more fucked up mothers to complete Gendo's fucked up plan). But everybody is working for they own purposes -except Shinji who is a complete waste of a human being- and things get more complicated in a way that involves heavy Judeo Christian symbolism and everybody getting transmogrified into clear piss. The end.

Note: Of course, nothing about this back story is revealed in the TV series.

[Ultima]

Basic plot of Eva = NerV gets attacked by aliens. Are you a bad enough dude to protect NerV?

Sure, the very, very basic plot of Eva is understandable. It's pretty much the same as any other mech anime with aliens invading the earth. But for all the detail that it goes into, it leaves some gaping holes. Prior to any mention of the First Ancestral Race*, the show completely fails to tell us why the Angels are doing what they're doing. I dunno about you folks, but when large alien-like creatures are focusing on a single target, I wanna know why. At least we know that King Zarkon wants to rule the universe cause he's Evil™, which is fine for something simple like Voltron. Eva is a nything but simple, and the Angels don't even get as much motivation as Zarkon.

Yes, we know they were after Adam (really Lilith) to cause Third Impact, but that's not an explanation. For lack of a better term, it's out of character for Eva, considering the massive depth it goes to plumb other parts of the story. And it's a central part of the story. Or at least it was, until production troubles turned the show into one big psychological mess and they said screw the plot and fuck the fans.

Face it. Unless Anno is lying (again?), the story was being made up and rewritten as it went along, parts went missing and it turned to shit, especially when the focus shifted thanks to the low morale of the production crew. Unless of course you all loved those last two episodes, something I think only art/cinema majors might have.

*Concerning First Ancestral Race, fuck the haters. I think it's perfectly sound and, moreover, makes perfect sense. It is a vast improvement over what we had before, which was virtually nothing - Here's Adam. Here's Lilith. Where they came from, meh. Adam + Lilith go boom. Why, no one knows. The end.

Oh, and here's another thing I've never quite gotten from Eva, even from the wiki: What exactly is a soul in the Eva universe? And how is it you're able to install it in anything like it's a utility program?

[Trucutru]

A soul is the thing that can generate an AT field, the ego of a person. I guess that's why they can install just part of Asuka's mother soul (part of her personality or ego) and it still works. How they learned how to remove and install it beats me.

[Internet]

lol shinAT mad



Some aliens from outer space come to earth looking for a buddy of theirs and NERV recruits some fucked up teens to kill them with giant robots.

See, simple.
I guess I did only ask for the basic plot :( WELLL!!!!! CAN YOU!!!! EXPLAIN!!! THE EVENTS THAT TRANSPIRED!!! :*(((((

[CABINET SMASHER]

lol will crazy

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

Face it. Unless Anno is lying (again?), the story was being made up and rewritten as it went along, parts went missing and it turned to shit, especially when the focus shifted thanks to the low morale of the production crew. Unless of course you all loved those last two episodes, something I think only art/cinema majors might have.

The story was finished when the anime aired. It was a success and Anno made several changes to it to sell merchandise (buy this game and you will get THE ULTIMATE TRUTH ABOUT EVA). None of these post-anime "plot fixes" were necessary at all, except for the obsessed Eva nerds that needed more stuff to fap to.

*Concerning First Ancestral Race, fuck the haters. I think it's perfectly sound and, moreover, makes perfect sense. It is a vast improvement over what we had before, which was virtually nothing

I prefer nothing at all to a shitty explanation, especially when there's no need for that explanation.

Again, this reminds me more and more about Donnie Darko. I loved the movie the first time I watched it, even when some parts of the plot didn't have a single, definite answer. Then I read the stupid explanations the director did in a website especially made to "solve" those mysteries (that were better left unsolved), and the movie was ruined for me.

Hopefully the manga won't fuck up with a 10-page monologue explaining every part of the plot that didn't have an explicit answer.

[Shin ATproof]

The story was finished when the anime aired. It was a success and Anno made several changes to it to sell merchandise (buy this game and you will get THE ULTIMATE TRUTH ABOUT EVA). None of these post-anime "plot fixes" were necessary at all, except for the obsessed Eva nerds that needed more stuff to fap to.

There was a story (or at least a concept) in pre-production of the TVseries. However, the story was edited and rewritten nearly each episode. Some feel the biggest shift in the constantly changing story was around episode 16 when the series started to go over budget. Anno himself stated that before and during production, he did not know how the show would end, nor what would become of the characters. Come the last couple of episodes, the story was unresolved because the focus was largely (if not only) on the psychology of the characters;what may have happened in the story became a subject of debate until the steady flow of afterthoughts were released, starting with the the movies which are do overs/rewrites of the story. "The story was finished" is far from the truth. The fact that the plot fixes pop up ever so often and years after the TVseries only show that Eva has always been a work in progress and that the Rebuild of Evangelion is expected to be the final revised version of the story that should have been there in the first place...

[Ultima]

re: The story was finished

Evidently Garga is from the future, where they have already shown Eva 2.0, the TV series based on the completed Rebuild of Evangelion.

When does SF4 come out?

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

The fact that the plot fixes pop up ever so often and years after the TVseries only show that Eva has always been a work in progress and that the Rebuild of Evangelion is expected to be the final revised version of the story that should have been there in the first place...

The plot fixes show that Evangelion is a very profitable anime that didn't need any plot fix (yet tons of narrative fixes the manga solved). Expect another definitive revised final version in 5-10 years, and new games with new info too.

And evidently Ultima forgot his reading comprehension somewhere this week.

[Shin ATproof]

So all those scholarly analysis and debates from the past, present and future used to understand the story are just mental masturbation of the highest order? Thats what I've been saying for years.

[EvilNeil]

I dunno about you folks, but when large alien-like creatures are focusing on a single target, I wanna know why. At least we know that King Zarkon wants to rule the universe cause he's Evil™, which is fine for something simple like Voltron. Eva is a nything but simple, and the Angels don't even get as much motivation as Zarkon.

Yes, we know they were after Adam (really Lilith) to cause Third Impact, but that's not an explanation.
Aren't they doing it to get rid of humanity? IIRC one of the underlying premises of the series is Humans vs Angels as conflicting 'races' each with a claim to the planet. And seeing as there are about fifty different types of Third Impact, maybe one of them is a Human-removing one?
*Concerning First Ancestral Race, fuck the haters. I think it's perfectly sound and, moreover, makes perfect sense. It is a vast improvement over what we had before, which was virtually nothing - Here's Adam. Here's Lilith. Where they came from, meh. Adam + Lilith go boom. Why, no one knows. The end.
So in all that time, did you not once try and make up your own reasoning, your own interpretation of events that weren't explained, based on what was said and shown? I did, several times, and every single one of them was better than the shitty 50's sci-fi planet-seeding aliens nonsense we're now being threatened with.

I assume you've seen the film ALIEN. Were you mad that the creature's origin, and that of the derelict ship were never explained? To fill the gap did you not try and think up your own reasons? If you could then, why is it so hard to do so with NGE? Or will doing so make you an 'art/cinema major'? :o
Oh, and here's another thing I've never quite gotten from Eva, even from the wiki: What exactly is a soul in the Eva universe? And how is it you're able to install it in anything like it's a utility program?
I don't think it's ever explained indepth. I know Ritsuko's mother is the one who pioneers 'organic' supercomputers, so there's some human/computer interfacing right there.

There's also that episode where Shinji becomes absorbed into Unit 01, and they 'salvage' him with some frankly insane (and quite likely made-up) quantum physics. I think a soul in NGE is much like a soul in the traditional sense, an invisible, unquantifiable container of the 'self' - and if they can move a soul like that, then I'm quite happy to say a combination of advanced quantum mechanics and incredibly powerful biological supercomputers are responsible for all the dummy plug/Terminal Dogma Rei soul-swapping shenanigans.

[EvilNeil]

I guess I did only ask for the basic plot :( WELLL!!!!! CAN YOU!!!! EXPLAIN!!! THE EVENTS THAT TRANSPIRED!!! :*(((((
In how much depth?

"An amoralistic super-secret cabal decides that Human evolution has reached a dead end. Blackmailing, cajoling or in some cases merely appealing to their senses of right and decency, this organisation collects some of the greatest scientific minds the world has to offer, and using its vast wealth and influence begins to put into motion a plan to force the development of mankind to its ultimate hivemind state, using a combination of mythological documents, relics, two alien lifeforms (the progenitors of both Human and Angel races, discovered in huge artificial underground caverns) and cutting-edge bio-technological equipment.

Their attempts at proceeding with this plan first sets off the devastating SECOND IMPACT, killing at least two billion of the planet's population, vaporising the continent of Antarctica and permantly altering both Earth's climate and orbit, and then, some fifteen hellish, war-torn years later attracts the attention of the Angels, a series of monstrous living weapons, creatures born from the rival progenitor to the one that spawned humanity, and comprised the same material and containing many of the same features as the EVANGELION series of artificial humanoids, themselves created with the purpose of defending against the Angels, and functional only through a perverse fusion of a young mother and the EVA units themselves, as only their relationships with their children - who will eventually themselves become the pilots, permit them to function at all.

As relationships unravel, trusts are betrayed, lives are lost and the extent of these organisations' power and influence are revealed, Unit 01's significance in the plan, and the significance of the pilot himself becomes evident, and come to a head when SEELE, the secret organisation, having failed to instigate Third Impact even by sending their own Angel directly to NERV headquarters decides nothing short of total extermination will prevent their puppet organisation, NERV, and it's commander Gendo Ikari from enacting their own botched, destructive version of the Third Impact in contrast with SEELE's quasi-religious, ceremonial version which would see mankind reduced to a single, godlike entity.

Neither group gets their wish, as Unit 01 pilot and Gendo's son, Shinji, the conduit for this global transformation, draws on his own humiliating life experiences and the lessons he's learned about relating to other people and belief in himself, thanks to his often-rocky relationships with friends, and work colleagues, including mysterious clone girl Rei Ayanami, firebrand child prodigy Asuka Sohryu Langley and his guardian Misato Katsuragi - and with the help of his mother (fused with Unit 01) creates a Third Impact that while superficially similar to the wishes of SEELE and Gendo, can be undone, should the individual so wish it.

With the Angels destroyed and mankind left to start afresh, a petrified, useless Unit 01 floats into deep space, a marker of humanity's achievements, their ambitions and drives, that will survive long after they themselves are gone."

[EvilNeil]

Oh, and rei iz teh hot!1

[Ultima]

Neil:

Get rid of humanity = Not a reason for the very specific way they were going about things. If they were rampaging endlessly and randomly about the planet, okay, I'll buy it in that sense, but they weren't doing that. Any angel claim to the planet is only alluded to in the vaguest sense (see the aformentioned throwaway line about "clearly artificial"). And it still didn't address the problem of why they were doing what they were doing.

What fifty types of Third Impact are you talking about? There's only one. It was just a matter of who initiates it, but the end result is the same.

Concerning their origin, I tried wrapping my head around it for a while, and then gave up due to lack of interest. I think I had concluded that they were just Anno's fucked up representation of actual biblical angels - that might as much sense as anything else in the show. Prior to this, I've only "studied" Eva maybe twice in the past ten years. There were too many gaps that didn't have any information to go by (NGE2 came out for PS2 in 2003, after all, some seven or eight years after the fact) so I stopped caring.

ALIEN is a poor comparison. It's a just a horror/monster movie set in space. And even most horror/monster movies will give you a clue about who/what the monster is and why it's trying to kill all the naked horny teenagers. I found nothing strange about the alien's behaviour that couldn't be explained by observing its actions. This is a far cry from a series of seemingly alien creatures that are driven to a single source for a single purpose.

re: MAGI

I don't recall MAGI ever having a soul though, so I don't know what connect it has to the soul-related stuff.

Sadly, I think the "soul is manifestation of ego which generates AT field" is pretty much the gist of it. It must have some sort of physical component (in the angels, it's their core, but what about humans?), but they mostly just throw it around like it's an organ of some sort.

Then there's also the fact that Eva uses misleading terms. Like how they call the first Angel "Adam" even though Adam is apparently a she, or how the angels all have "S2 engines" when they're not really engines in the traditional sense at all (IIRC they're really just energy-generating organs, really more like a fancy liver or something).

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

What fifty types of Third Impact are you talking about? There's only one. It was just a matter of who initiates it, but the end result is the same.

That's plainly wrong. If that were true, there wouldn't be a conflict between Gendo and Seele.

I don't recall MAGI ever having a soul though, so I don't know what connect it has to the soul-related stuff.

Yeah. IIRC, MAGI is just a simulation of three aspects of Naoko Akagi's mind, but it doesn't have her soul.

[blockhead]

Neil:

Get rid of humanity = Not a reason for the very specific way they were going about things. If they were rampaging endlessly and randomly about the planet, okay, I'll buy it in that sense, but they weren't doing that. Any angel claim to the planet is only alluded to in the vaguest sense (see the aformentioned throwaway line about "clearly artificial"). And it still didn't address the problem of why they were doing what they were doing.

The Angels were trying to wipe out humanity by initiating Third Impact. That's why they were all hanging out around Japan; they wanted to bust into NERV to join with Lilith.

What fifty types of Third Impact are you talking about? There's only one. It was just a matter of who initiates it, but the end result is the same.

What Garg said. I doubt Gendo, SEELE's, or the Angels' Third Impact would've ended the same as Shinji and Rei's.

[Internet]

You know, in truth, my only problem with Eva (I enjoyed it up until the end) was simply that Shinji was the biggest, most irredeemable pussy of all time and that made me absolutely resent the show in the end.

[Blitzkrieg]

But see, that's the difference between you and me. You look at Shinji and see a sniveling, worthless wimp, and I look at him and see an extremely amplified version of myself. The Asuka/Shinji confrontation in the kitchen in EoE makes me feel awful.

Then I think, "I... I bet I could bring the world to an end." ( ’ -‘)

[Ultima]

UK/Garga:

There is only one real outcome of Third Impact: Humanity gets reduced to LCL and combines into one supreme being. The only difference is who is in control when it happens. Seele in charge = they're the ones who control the new one being hivemind. Angels in charge = they probably just kill the damn one being as its forming. And/or maybe they vaporize the sea of LCL afterwards or something. Gendo in charge = maybe he just combines with Yui's soul and then either aborts the process or lets the world go to hell (I'm not sure if he actually could have stopped the rest of humanity from turning into LCL if he wanted; he may have thought so, but there's nothing to suggest that this would or could have happened). Regardless, the main result of Third Impact is the same.

Gendo started the process, but before he could do anything Rei rejected him, hijacking the process and ultimately turning control of everything over to Shinji. It then proceeds as normal, until Shinji changes his mind and aborts the whole thing.

They leave it vague as to what happens afterwards, but it is alluded that people can will themselves back into existence if they so choose.

And I agree with DYLE. It was really the irredeemable faggotry of Shinji that brings down the show more than anything else. The big pieces of the plot missing are really just annoyances on top of that. As I said, I don't hate the show or anything, but I do think it has serious faults.

[Evil Count Proteus]

Eva was alright up until it became wretched emo shit. Lol Shinji destroys the world. Nice going emo kid.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

[...]

No.

Example: Shinji's Third Impact is reversible unlike Seele's Third Impact.

And, again, Shinji being a huge faggot is something you can like or dislike, not a flaw. Read the manga if that bothers you; it's also an overall better product.

[Ultima]

Who says Seele's own isn't irreversible? At least up to the same point that Shinji got to? Third Impact = Humanity gets reduced to LCL, combines into one. That's it. What happens after that is determined by whoever's in charge when the shit goes down.

Maybe there is a point of no return, but they certainly didn't reach such a point in EoE. We don't know either way really.

Besides, we don't know for sure how reversible the whole process is. While humanity didn't stay combined as one supreme being, they didn't exactly return to normal either. It's only alluded to.

I don't care enough about Eva to read the manga, better overall product or not.

[EvilNeil]

Who says Seele's own isn't irreversible?
Common sense. They haven't spent decades and incalculable sums of money, and killed literally billions of people along the way just to create a human hivemind soup that you can get out of, simply by going 'er actually no thanks.'

And Yui actually says, in voiceover at the end, that anyone can come back, should they so wish it.

[Ultima]

Neil:

That still falls into the realm of what happens after Third Impact though.

If there is a point of return, with Seele's in charge, it's most likely that they would be in control of the hivemind of the supreme being and their will should simply keep the being from discombobulating back into a sea of LCL. Otherwise, if there's a point of no return, well, they just have to ensure the process gets to that point. As I said before, we don't know if there's a point of no return, just that such a point was not reached in EoE.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

Who says Seele's own isn't irreversible? At least up to the same point that Shinji got to? Third Impact = Humanity gets reduced to LCL, combines into one. That's it. What happens after that is determined by whoever's in charge when the shit goes down.

What would be the point in Seele and Gendo's conflict if everything can be reverted, then? And, more importantly, why would Seele even bother with the plan (and invest huge amounts of resources in it) if people still can decide their own destinies?

And why would the Angels trigger it they get the same result and everyone can return to normal anyways? Besides, isn't the Rei/Lilith - Kaworu/Adam Third Impact quite different from just turning people into LCL, since they also absorb people's souls?

Besides, we don't know for sure how reversible the whole process is. While humanity didn't stay combined as one supreme being, they didn't exactly return to normal either. It's only alluded to.

Don't Asuka and Shinji return from the sea of LCL in physical form? At least Asuka should have been turned into LCL during 3rd Impact.

I don't care enough about Eva to read the manga, better overall product or not.

I don't either (I watched the series twice and the movies once, and I think Anime Evangelion is highly flawed - just not for the reasons you give), that's why I recommend it.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

If there is a point of return, with Seele's in charge, it's most likely that they would be in control of the hivemind of the supreme being and their will should simply keep the being from discombobulating back into a sea of LCL.

Isn't the supreme being just one single will? How could Seele decide anything if they aren't, well, Seele?

And this leads me to a contradiction. If the plan is about turning all souls into a single entity, this is radically different from the group of entities with separate wills resulting from Shinji's Third Impact. People don't lose their individuality in that version of the Impact, they are still able to decide their destiny.

[Onimaru]

y'know I knew this on an instinctual level before this thread but it has now become clear to me that Evangelion is the Final Fantasy 7 of anime

[EvilNeil]

It's that awesome? You know I think you're right. :*

[Izanami]

y'know I knew this on an instinctual level before this thread but it has now become clear to me that Evangelion is the Final Fantasy 7 of anime

Came to that conslusion on page 5, but Ultima didn't agree =p

Both became hits, now they have the means to fill in those plot holes or add stupidness in to add to fan speculation...tactics!

[Samuel X]

With the Angels destroyed and mankind left to start afresh, a petrified, useless Unit 01 floats into deep space, a marker of humanity's achievements, their ambitions and drives, that will survive long after they themselves are gone."
Dammit Neil, why you gotta make me like Eva again?

[Cherrn]

So how are the platinum episodes? I want to watch the series again, but you can really tell the old DVDs are almost 10 years old. The platinum collection costs around £32, which is pretty cheap, so if it's a vast improvement I'll probably get it.

Though, I must shamefully admit that I never did get around to watching DaR/EoE either :s

[Ultima]

Garga:

> What would be the point in Seele and Gendo's conflict if everything can be reverted, then? And, more importantly, why would Seele even bother with the plan (and invest huge amounts of resources in it) if people still can decide their own destinies? And why would the Angels trigger it they get the same result and everyone can return to normal anyways?

As I've said a couple times now, based on what we know, it seems that whoever initiates the process gets to decide what ultimately happens.

Concerning the angels, with humanity reduced to LCL and in one place, it probably makes it easier to wipe them out all at once. One target is better than billions, after all.

> And this leads me to a contradiction. If the plan is about turning all souls into a single entity, this is radically different from the group of entities with separate wills resulting from Shinji's Third Impact. People don't lose their individuality in that version of the Impact, they are still able to decide their destiny.

I think "Shinji's Third Impact" is a bit of a misnomer. The only result of Third Impact is the reduction of humanity into LCL and combining into one. This is what occurs in EoE. Just at after this occurs, the Rei/Yui/Kawarou composite supreme being (who has already caused the Black Moon to absorb everyone's souls) turns to Shinji and says "You want in on this? This is what you wanted right?", and Shinji goes "Yeah, but I changed my mind. I'll pass.", and the entity dies and the souls get returned to the sea of LCL.

Had that been Seele in charge, things would probably have progressed exactly the same, except at the end they would have probably just combined with all the souls in the Black Moon or something. Maybe that would have been the point of no return. But Shinji pulls out a big ol' "STOP! HAMMER TIME!" to the process before that can happen. But the event known as "Third Impact" occurs either way.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

As I've said a couple times now, based on what we know, it seems that whoever initiates the process gets to decide what ultimately happens.

I think that's not entirely accurate, since Gendo is the one who initiates the process, yet Rei takes over it quickly. And then she hands the final decision over to Shinji.

Concerning the angels, with humanity reduced to LCL and in one place, it probably makes it easier to wipe them out all at once. One target is better than billions, after all.

Are you sure about that? Maybe they just wanted to turn into the supreme being instead of humans or something like that. Note that Angels kill anyone who opposes/attacks them, but they don't kill indiscriminately; they just go after Lilith.

Considering their vast destructive power they could destroy entire countries with little effort, but they limit themselves to search for Lilith in Tokyo-3. I don't think that their real goal was to kill all humans after they turn into LCL.

I think "Shinji's Third Impact" is a bit of a misnomer.[...]

How can you determine that the Third Impact ends invariably with humanity turned into LCL if it changes greatly depending on who's in charge?
We get to see only one Third Impact... could you give decisive proof supporting that there is only one possible outcome, considering how the Impact changes depending on who's in charge? (man, that line sounds ripped off from Phoenix Wright).

I think it's obvious that the Third Impact changes completely depending on who's in charge.

[felineki]

Ultraman Evas make me sad.

[lotus]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/akitatrip/sDSCF1607.jpg

:D

[Shin ATproof]

Eva Doritos?
The product placement for this franchise has to be the work of a comedy mastermind.

[felineki]

Note that Angels kill anyone who opposes/attacks them, but they don't kill indiscriminately; they just go after Lilith.You don't think Zeruel had anything particular in mind when he went out of his way get face-to-face with everyone at the command center, and try to blow them away at point-blank range?

[Onimaru]

NO ASUKA BAG? FUCKING DORITOS

[Onimaru]

also what the fuck "salt" flavored since when do they make regular corn chip doritos

[Hiryu no Ken]

Those are the happiest Shinji and Rei I have ever seen.

[Shin ATproof]

also what the fuck "salt" flavored since when do they make regular corn chip doritos

In addition to that question:
Why aren't they different flavors?

Maybe that will be another afterthought.

[Vincent]

Those are the happiest Shinji and Rei I have ever seen.
The happiest Rei's ever looked? What about one of her creepy smiles on the show?

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

You don't think Zeruel had anything particular in mind when he went out of his way get face-to-face with everyone at the command center, and try to blow them away at point-blank range?

Destroying the people that built the giant robots that attack him and guard Lilith, maybe?

I can't tell if you are objecting or supporting my point with that post :S

[Hiryu no Ken]

The happiest Rei's ever looked? What about one of her creepy smiles on the show?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/hiryunoken7/happy20rei2.gif

[Shin ATproof]

What? Eva references in my Gurren Lagann!? Fuck you Gainax!
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6293/damngainax1bqs9.th.png (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damngainax1bqs9.png)http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4899/damngainax2zi3.th.png (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damngainax2zi3.png)http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/807/damngaiax3qw5.th.png (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damngaiax3qw5.png)

Eh...I guess its all in good fun :3
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[EvilNeil]

So how are the platinum episodes? I want to watch the series again, but you can really tell the old DVDs are almost 10 years old. The platinum collection costs around £32, which is pretty cheap, so if it's a vast improvement I'll probably get it
I have to say I didn't really notice a difference, picture-wise. It looks quite a lot better, cleaner when compared side-by-side, but when actually watched it looks much the same. The remixed sound is pretty good though, adds a lot to the music especially.

Still I think my favourite part of the new DVDs is the presentation - all that water and white, and they actually give the episodes their proper names this time around, too. And the little factlet books that come with them have some mildly interesting trivia.

And you *have* to watch EoE. I don't care if I have to post you my copy and some Clockwork Orange-style eye clips, do it!

[EvilNeil]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/hiryunoken7/happy20rei2.gif
H8 U

[Onimaru]

What? Eva references in my Gurren Lagann!?

it's a good thing that was before Nia showed up since Nono is basically her on ADD meds

[Magitek]

Coincidently, Nia and Nono have the same VA.

Edit:

a3uKU5piUpQ

[lotus]

I went to Wonder Festival yesterday and in the area with the corporate displays they had an Evangelion section. Here's some pics.

The Evangelion Store

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/akitatrip/sDSCF1902.jpg


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/akitatrip/sDSCF1901.jpg


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/akitatrip/sDSCF1903.jpg


A product that might be more awesome than the Doritos:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/akitatrip/sDSCF1905.jpg


This is what I bought:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/akitatrip/01_l.jpg

[Mr. Pointy]

Just imagine - Gainax's whoring of Evangelion is what Kyoto Animation will do with Haruhi in 10 years.

[Kei]

Didn't even take them 10 years. Lucky Star is pretty much one big shitty commercial for Haruhi.

[Shin ATproof]

HEY! Take that back!
I love Lucky Star...

True about KyotoAni whoring Haruhi. With the expected sequel, the level of marketing may surpass Eva. Especially when considering a 10 year campaign.

[EvilNeil]

That glass is actually quite clever, as long as you only use it with browny, orangey beigy liquids that is.

Shinji-flavoured curry is just mind-meltingly stupid though.

[Shin ATproof]

Its only a matter of time till Gainax sells LCL Fluid and it comes in an Entry Plug container. When it does, I got $10 saying it'll taste something like Final Fantasy Potion

[Mr. Pointy]

They already have an LCL flavoured beverage. It's called Orange Lucozade.

[Shin ATproof]

How does it taste? Is it kinda syrup or like liquid?

[Mr. Pointy]

It's fizzy glucose shit with a bit of orange flavour. I've drunk worse.

[Mr. Pointy]

Rebuild of Eva pt. 1 opens in Japan next week. I'm expecting high-quality bootlegs within 24 hours of the movie's premiere.

[EvilNeil]

I certainly hope so, the thought of that being out there and me not having seen it is a terrifying one.

Still, the lightning-fast turnaround of the Advent Children DVD (I watched the fansub version the same day the JP DVD was released) gives me plenty of hope.

[Hiryu no Ken]

It's out. It apparently included a "next episode" style preview for the next film.
The first of the four Evangelion movie remakes, Evangelion: 1.0 You Are [Not] Alone, opened Saturday, and it featured a "next episode preview" for the 2008 sequel with more redesigned EVA units and a previously unanimated female character. Specifically, the first EVA units will have a new backpack attachment for an aerial drop sequence (analogous to the scene in episode 9 of the series), the EVA-04 unit is hinted to appear for the first time in animation, a new mono-eyed EVA-05 design will appear, and the EVA-06 will feature a completely new design as well. The new character is an eyeglasses-wearing, brunette girl. The preview's narrator, Kotono Mitsuishi as the character Misato Katsuragi, promised more fan "service-service" in the second movie. (Evangelion: 1.0 had partial nudity.)

The Evangelion: 1.0 movie played to standing-room-only audiences in Tokyo-area theaters from morning to evening. The movie's pamphlet included a notice that Studio Khara (director Hideaki Anno's new company whose first work is this movie) is "accepting applications for staffers" to work on the second movie. A full review of Evangelion: 1.0 will be posted.

[Magitek]

Now to wait for raws and subsequently subs.

[Utils]

*pulls down pants*

[EvilNeil]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33869
I’m well aware that sending a review of anything anime related to this site is going to be an uphill struggle. It won’t be long before someone below makes an comment concerning how the entire genre of anime “is crap” (just bringing that up ensures it) or how forty plus years of Japanese culture will “hopefully go away soon.” That is, of course, when the more rational talkbackers (all three of them) step in with a list of candidates that might just change some minds if anyone bothered to watch them – things like Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo and of course... Evangelion.

I could try and write this review of the first of the new Evangelion movies to appease both those who have never seen the series and those who have. However, I can only write from one standpoint – I’m far too familiar with the material to give any perspective on what it would be like without having first seen the TV. So that’s how I’ll handle it. Anyone interested in these movies who hasn’t seen the TV... has their starting point right there. Go do that.

Love or hate the ending, anyway, there is no doubting the effect this 26 ep TV series, now over 10 years old, has had on anime since. Gainax, the studio responsible, know this all too well themselves – the initial poster for the new movies makes the bold statement “in the last 12 years there has been no anime as new as Evangelion was.” Debating that is a point for another time. The issue here is that they have decided to come back to the cash cow and turn out four new movies, to be released in three sittings. However, rather than take the recent Gundam Zeta route of mixing TV animation with new footage they have used the old storyboards to totally redraw everything digitally. As the films progress they will move further and further away from the original material, eventually culminating in an all new ending – one which we are assured everyone will be able to make sense of.

This first movie takes the content of only the first 6 episodes of the TV series, dealing with the attacks of Angels 4, 5 and 6. It basically takes those battles with all the material around them condensed and smoothed together, then pumped up on steroids. The TV series looked fantastic 10 years ago, but as soon as the first frames hit the screen you know this is a movie. The background are either beautiful, detailed hand drawings or smoothly integrated CG. The movement is as fluid as you would expect from movie quality, and the characters all look pretty much identical to the TV series (something the trailers made me wonder about, and also something they totally didn’t bother with in Zeta.) Animation and visual wise, it was fantastic, with just the right balance between CG and hand-drawn material.

Content starts of a little slower if you know the TV well, because it covers the same ground mainly with omissions rather than changes for the first half. A scattering of low level changes include the Eva’s arm no longer moving to protect Shinji from falling debris that now never falls; no mention of the Dead Sea Scrolls (thank god) but rather everything is running according to a schedule Seele has created; Gendo and Fuyutsuki manipulating Shinji into visiting Ayanami’s apartment rather than him simply dropping off homework, and all of the Eva’s weapons having been redesigned along with a different paint job for Unit 0.

However, as things move into the Yashima operation the changes start to become bigger and more frequent. The 6th Angel looks the same initially but has undergone some big changes in appearance when it attacks, and the entire scene and how it plays it out is significantly beefed up from the end of another “Angel of the Week” TV show to something more fitting the climax of a movie.

There are also two massive changes, both of which are huge spoilers and the most fun anyone who knows the series well will have with the movie, so I won’t detail them here. I will say that both simultaneously introduce elements that were kept hidden until much later in the series as well as greatly changing how these elements are going to work in the story.

I’ve seen comments that people have been worried about “dumbing down,” but there isn’t too much of that. A few points, such as some details on the AT Field and how to destroy an Angel, are highlighted far more than they were in the TV. As I said above, mentions of Dead Sea Scrolls et al are all pretty much gone and even some Katakana terms like “First Children” are now absent, simply handled in Japanese, but that’s probably a change for the better. The scattering of random terminology that was then never really explained (especially religious stuff) is what helped to clutter up the end of Eva and make it all even more crazy. But the complexity has certainly not been stripped away – it just feels like it is leading somewhere this time.

The preview at the end of the movie gave some hints as to where. At least one new Eva and one new character are both going to appear in the next movie, so it is moving even further off-book, and at this level of quality I personally can’t wait to see it. As a set up, the first of the movies has done a fantastic job.

Ultimately, it is a retread but a fantastically enjoyable one, keeping all of the beats of the original material but overcoming the pitfalls of combining TV episodes together and bringing enough new stuff to the table to promise big, big things for the next two releases – especially the all new ending. The question with Zeta was “why not redraw it all?” and now they did that with Eva, the question is “why not draw something different?” – the first two battles play out exactly as you remember them, although they look a lot nicer – but then again, why try to fix something that most definitely wasn’t broken?

Anyway, if you like Eva then I don’t have to tell you to see this, once you get a chance, but hopefully the above impressions will whet your appetite in the meantime!

If you use this call me AndoSoundsLikeAMong.

[Mr. Pointy]

Cool. The first movie being mostly a retread doesn't sound like it's an entirely bad thing after all.

I'm hoping they kept the scene with Shinji falling on Rei's tit.

Redrawn in CG.

With bullet time.

[Utils]

Komm, Suesser Tod sounds like a goodbye post.

[Ultima]

culminating in an all new ending – one which we are assured everyone will be able to make sense of.

LOL. Neil's gonna hate it then. ;)

[Shin ATproof]

From what I read, I could end up liking retconned Eva.

"But the complexity has certainly not been stripped away – it just feels like it is leading somewhere this time."

THAT sounds delicious. My thirst for coherent story writing with a planned and clearly defined ending is my cup of tea.

[Internet]

Eva was good for the 90s because it encapsulated our emo jerk-off session that decade.

But now, anything Eva just reminds us of that faggy time in our lives. Who gives a shit about it anymore.

[Utils]

Not feeling you on this one.

[Onimaru]

The initial impression that this may be a more straightforward and sensical version of the story is promising. Like, yknow maybe I might pay to watch this thing at some point, instead of just downloading it

[Internet]

Not feeling you on this one.
Well, there'll be plenty of robots in corsets and whiny little bitches for you to watch in the near future because of it. And you know what? After you finish watching it, you'll be disappointed. This isn't gonna end in a satisfying magnum opus that they always promise when they retcon shit like this. It will just be another cash-in like Dragonball GT or Yugioh GX.

[Shin ATproof]

The initial impression that this may be a more straightforward and sensical version of the story is promising. Like, yknow maybe I might pay to watch this thing at some point, instead of just downloading it

Part of my hatred of Eva is stemming from the fact that I payed to see it.

I'm approaching Retconned Eva with caution but it does sound promising.

Well, there'll be plenty of robots in corsets and whiny little bitches for you to watch in the near future because of it. And you know what? After you finish watching it, you'll be disappointed. This isn't gonna end in a satisfying magnum opus that they always promise when they retcon shit like this. It will just be another cash-in like Dragonball GT or Yugioh GX.

If Retconned Eva blows ass like Old Eva...at least I have [I]Gurren Lagann (and Gunbuster) to fall back on. I have a suspicion Gainax is going to whore that series. Maybe not to the degree of Evangelion but it will be significant. IIRC there was a focus panel for Gurren Lagann in Japan earlier this year and the people behind the show may leave the door open for a movie or even a sequel. I'd love for that series to be like a 5-10 year project.

[EvilNeil]

LOL. Neil's gonna hate it then. ;)
As long as it's huge and spectacular and beautiful, I reckon I'll be alright.

[Mr. Pointy]

It'll be 90 minutes of a spinning Episode 26 Alt. Rei head.

[APNki]

Evangelion rebuild movie. No video, just the audio:

http://www.meganova.org/details/827058.html

Can't check to see if it is real since I'm still on 56k :P

Found it on this board: http://www.rei-ayanami.com/torrent/imgboard.php?res=8232

[Utils]

Thanks for nothing.

[EvilNeil]

Good bit of new music at 87:50. :)

[Shin ATproof]

Evangelion rebuild movie. No video, just the audio

HUH!?

[EvilNeil]

That's just what it is. Some homo in the cinema with a portable dictaphone.

[Magitek]

n9ZOf-3q2x4

Would anyone want a version of EVA like this?

[Mr. Rottweiler]

OH SHIT GENDO

[Frietstof]

Guy with the cyclops glasses had me in stitches too :D

[EvilNeil]

Fuyutsuki = :bigtran:

[Utils]

That was..really different.

[StriderM]

OK Now I have to do this.

4zxTJSKKBmo

Top 5 Eva Opening Parodies. Basically showing this for #2, where this guy dressed up as everybody. He did the same thing with Fist of the North Star.

[Utils]

#2 was the worst reason for sharing this.

[Onimaru]

n9ZOf-3q2x4

Would anyone want a version of EVA like this?

You have no idea

Shinji would be a vulnerable little chick who would be a lot easier to feel sorry for. Maybe it's sexist to say so, but that's how it is. Plus it'd make her small triumphs throughout the series a cause for approval instead of "Well it's about time" like I felt the first time around.

Rei's stoicism would make her seem genuinely cool instead of weird, and there'd probably be a little less sexual overtones in her relationship with Gendou (at least to me, maybe Man Rei is into older chicks who knows) making her seem less creepy in general. Rei II's suicide run against the 16th angel, that sacrifice would stand as a monument of manliness

And much like every female has ever lamented since the woman's movement, Asuka as a dude would be awesome instead of bitchy. A hotshot womanizer who puts all kinds of filthy ideas into the generally pure hearted Shinji. And it would make his eventual fall into inadequacy all the more disturbing as he became fixated on the meek little girl who surpassed him.

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON SHINJI X KAWORU

QUICK SOMEONE GET ME A TIME MACHINE

[Mr. Rottweiler]

He's right, you know. But what do we do about MadRei.jpg?

[StriderM]

Here's some shot-by-shot comparisons of the tv show and movie.

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/guideline/imgs/1/3/131dc765.jpg
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/guideline/imgs/2/7/27a99965.jpg
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/guideline/imgs/f/1/f116aa68.jpg
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/guideline/imgs/c/8/c8cb85eb.jpg
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/guideline/imgs/9/7/97ce3f91.jpg

[EvilNeil]

Gorgeous. *_*

[Photon]

re: sexchange clip

Aside from the stuff Oni detailed...somehow, I do see grumpy matriarch Gendo working well, too.

[HERE IS A BIGER QUESTION]

So to be updated.

This is a remake of various episode from the Evangelion series?

Simular to the movie Remake that reused the last 25 and 26 episodes of Evangelion?

This remake while drawn simular is quite off in certian areas like. How Eva 01 gained glow in the dark lights, that cross now has a rainbow, and the guy with the glasses now have slightly longer fingers?????????

Why an who is going to watch a remake of various episodes??

The movies belongs to us. You can't just go around editing scenes. That is like editing History.

[Mr. Rottweiler]

Us. I suppose you're disgusted by the horror of us spending money on something some of us haven't seen in about 10 years, amirite?

PS. Gainax still make the best looking anime.

[HERE IS A BIGER QUESTION]

Us. I suppose you're disgusted by the horror of us spending money on something some of us haven't seen in about 10 years, amirite?

PS. Gainax still make the best looking anime.

No Animation production studio is better then the next unless your doing a tally decided vote by opinion.

Evangelion was based on the Millenuim Four Horseman Apocolypse that is metioned and taught in Western Religion ( of course Catlick ). That is what drives the idea of Evangelion. It is almost like or exactly like Akira but was more losely based on the current wars in Asia ( practically when Japan was bombed the living daylights out ).

Evangelion as with most Anime during that time was and is regular Cel cartoons that used various techniques and abilities to acheives certain looks and certain goals. While computer animations was present you shoudl not consider it to be like
the computer animation present.

some of us haven't seen in about 10 years

Well I watched the original Evaneglion in it's original form with Subtitiles on VHS. I have no want to see the obimination that is taking place. The truth is now with the 3d craze of stupids running aorund going OH MY GOSH to all these Oiga game systems and to be honest Anime itself is in trouble.

[Mr. Pointy]

You'd buy it if it was on laserdisc.

[Internet]

It certainly looks a lot better. But that's the only good thing that I can say about it.

[Utils]

...Until we can actually watch it.

[EvilNeil]

ANY DAY NOW, I'm sure.

[APNki]

Trailer for the second Eva rebuild movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5B2HYvtz1Q

Source: http://www.rei-ayanami.com/general/imgboard.php?res=50282

[Sol Badguy Z: Slash]

Alright.... It seems that not one single contact on my aim list has ever seen the end of Eva, and if they did, they don't remember, so I'ld like it spoiled for me.

How did the giant Rei die? I suppose it's a metaphor for something, but I'm not really interested in drawing my own conclusion, I just want to know, what exactly happened, in chronological order, the moment she picked Shinji up. Like, what triggered what to happen. I saw her neck being cut into from an anime music video, etc, how the hell did that happen? What exactly did Shinji say/do?

[Sol Badguy Z: Slash]

n9ZOf-3q2x4

Would anyone want a version of EVA like this?
*FLOORED*



and omg, ALBEDO?!

[Shin ATproof]

Alright.... It seems that not one single contact on my aim list has ever seen the end of Eva, and if they did, they don't remember, so I'ld like it spoiled for me.


Basically...
Rei merges with Lilith. Lilith-Rei turns MP Evas into her avatars and Unit01 with Shinji into the Tree of Knowledge. Rei leaves it up to Shinji to decide the fate of man and he rejects the Human Instrumentality by wishing everyone died. So 3rdImpact is Lilith-Rei breaking down everyones ATField and their physical body turns into LCL with their souls into crystals. Those essences of humanity are absorbed into Lilith-Rei and all becomes one again from Lilith's Egg.

Lilith-Rei shows Shinji the result of his will but then he decides life is best lived as an individual and endure hardships. Unit01 breaks free with the Lance of Longinus and destroys Lilith-Rei which starts to crumble. The egg breaks and everything within falls back down to Earth. Eva01 with the lance drift into space forever and we're told humans can return to their physical forms if they will it so. We know this is possible since the result is Shinji returning to physical form and later sees that Asuka has managed to do the same.

So think of Lilith-Rei as windows and Shinji is the user that pressed Ctrl+Alt+Delete a couple of times and did a reboot.

[coolmandool]

Lilith-Rei shows Shinji the result of his will but then he decides life is best lived as an individual and endure hardships.

NB. Shinji's inner monologue to all of this crap is basically episode 25/26. Which is why they're important thematic episodes rather than crazy Japanese weirdness.

On another level, while Eva's core message is simple and in some ways reaffirming - "Hey nerd, stop being such a pussy -go out, live life and try interacting with the real world every once in a while" - the hilarious result has been that nerds all over the world sit around and discuss Eva's "complex kabbalistic themes"/ masturbate to endless Rei doujin instead of listening to what it's actually trying to say.

[Sol Badguy Z: Slash]

Basically...
Rei merges with Lilith. Lilith-Rei turns MP Evas into her avatars and Unit01 with Shinji into the Tree of Knowledge. Rei leaves it up to Shinji to decide the fate of man and he rejects the Human Instrumentality by wishing everyone died. So 3rdImpact is Lilith-Rei breaking down everyones ATField and their physical body turns into LCL with their souls into crystals. Those essences of humanity are absorbed into Lilith-Rei and all becomes one again from Lilith's Egg.

Lilith-Rei shows Shinji the result of his will but then he decides life is best lived as an individual and endure hardships. Unit01 breaks free with the Lance of Longinus and destroys Lilith-Rei which starts to crumble. The egg breaks and everything within falls back down to Earth. Eva01 with the lance drift into space forever and we're told humans can return to their physical forms if they will it so. We know this is possible since the result is Shinji returning to physical form and later sees that Asuka has managed to do the same.

So think of Lilith-Rei as windows and Shinji is the user that pressed Ctrl+Alt+Delete a couple of times and did a reboot.
I wonder if the people who died prior to "3rd impact" get to partake of this option to "come back"..... because then, it'd be interesting to see what would happen if all........ ALL of humanity decided to come back simultaneously..... my MY, what a problem they would have D:.

Anyway, did rei do or say anything at all while 01 was hacking and slashing, or did she just kinda sat there silently as dude went to work on her?

NB. Shinji's inner monologue to all of this crap is basically episode 25/26. Which is why they're important thematic episodes rather than crazy Japanese weirdness.

On another level, while Eva's core message is simple and in some ways reaffirming - "Hey nerd, stop being such a pussy -go out, live life and try interacting with the real world every once in a while" - the hilarious result has been that nerds all over the world sit around and discuss Eva's "complex kabbalistic themes"/ masturbate to endless Rei doujin instead of listening to what it's actually trying to say.
Knowledge can also be anti-knowledge :smalltran

[Onimaru]

Gurren Lagann presents a much more compelling message of "quit being such a candy ass" in my opinion, and it didn't even have a single exploding cross! not one!!!

[Shin ATproof]

NB. Shinji's inner monologue to all of this crap is basically episode 25/26. Which is why they're important thematic episodes rather than crazy Japanese weirdness.

Correct. The final moments in End of Evangelion was indeed 26 reinterpreted (and they'll be re-reinterpreted and expanded on in the new movies). While I understood the TV series ending, I liked the Movie ending more its just more "complete" and doesn't smell of existentialist bullshit.

On another level, while Eva's core message is simple and in some ways reaffirming - "Hey nerd, stop being such a pussy -go out, live life and try interacting with the real world every once in a while" - the hilarious result has been that nerds all over the world sit around and discuss Eva's "complex kabbalistic themes"/ masturbate to endless Rei doujin instead of listening to what it's actually trying to say.

Personally I like the Eva porn. One of the best things related to the series. But yeah, both the TV and Movie endings were basically Anime versions of the Life of Brian ending of "Always look on the bright side of life"...only without the catchy tune and humor...unless you like seeing Asuka choked, that was somewhat amusing.

I wonder if the people who died prior to "3rd impact" get to partake of this option to "come back"..... because then, it'd be interesting to see what would happen if all........ ALL of humanity decided to come back simultaneously..... my MY, what a problem they would have D:.

I believe it only applies to the living at the time of Third Impact since the body (LCL) and Soul (red crystals) have to be present for those that wish to return can do so.

Anyway, did rei do or say anything at all while 01 was hacking and slashing, or did she just kinda sat there silently as dude went to work on her?

Lilith-Rei was basically accepting and acting out the will of Shinji. Shinji in essence became a "god" and the mother of humanity went along with whatever he said or did.

Gurren Lagann presents a much more compelling message of "quit being such a candy ass" in my opinion,

Yeah, I'm more accepting of the message in GuLa. I just love themes that propose that people better themselves by taking the initiative. I like the philosophy that with enough will and strength, anything is possible. The world needs more heroes and personally a part of me wishes I could do half of what Simon can so I could make the world a better place. The kid in me jumps for joy seeing stuff like Gurren Lagann.

and it didn't even have a single exploding cross! not one!!!

What? Eva references in my Gurren Lagann!? Fuck you Gainax!
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6293/damngainax1bqs9.th.png (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damngainax1bqs9.png)http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4899/damngainax2zi3.th.png (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damngainax2zi3.png)http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/807/damngaiax3qw5.th.png (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damngaiax3qw5.png)


There are lots of cross and X shaped explosions and light effects. Part of it is simply Imaishi's style but I also think part of it is Gainax having a little fun with some of its own Anime, Eva included.

[Magitek]

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1889/b000081146f492e98b527hj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Apparently it's a series to be serialized in Dengenki that takes place 3 years after the EVA TV series.

[ICEMAN299]

Can we please not make any more posts unless they include:
-torrent
-release date
-last rebuild movie turns out to be a huge budget hentai

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

that takes place 3 years after the EVA TV series.

lol?

[Utils]

Yeah, thank you.

I mean, hello?

[EvilNeil]

I have always wanted to know how much of the world survived the thirdo impact - whether buildings still stand, or whether the massive flood of LCL, assorted glowy things and teh giant rei reduced it all to the surreal wasteland we see, briefly, at the very end of EoE.

I mean, if people come back, and they assuredly will come back, and it's all like that, what are they going to do? Build mud huts and go spear fishing? Are there even any fish left in the world?

There is scope for some sort of story or development on that issue, but I presume it'll also add new conflict and new enemies and stuff like that, the sort of thing I really can't think how it could be done and still be good.

[ICEMAN299]

We know all of that takes place at the end of the movie, but can the same be assumed for the end of the TV series? Since everything is so abstract without any real mention of what is actually taking place in reality, I'd imagine there would be possibility to say "oh yeah, so this is what happened outside of Shingi's mind."

[D.Knight]

17 year old Aska? :spooge:

[Shin ATproof]

Apparently it's a series to be serialized in Dengenki that takes place 3 years after the EVA TV series.

!?
I knew it! in the back of my mind I knew that when Anno was saying the last of the Rebuild movies would have a different ending, its was going to be something more than just a reinterpretation of the events of the Movie...but a freak'n sequel to Eva!?


I mean, if people come back, and they assuredly will come back, and it's all like that, what are they going to do? Build mud huts and go spear fishing? Are there even any fish left in the world?

Well I don't recall ThirdImpact destroying buildings, everyone just turned into Tang, so the cities should still be there. As for the number of survivors, it depends on how many people had the want and the will to return to their physical form. Knowing that the characters survived 3 years after the final events of the movie, I imagine that an ocean of primordial ooze didn't have too much effect on the ecosystem. Really, judging from the Asuka and Rei sketches, civilization has returned to normal.


There is scope for some sort of story or development on that issue, but I presume it'll also add new conflict and new enemies and stuff like that, the sort of thing I really can't think how it could be done and still be good.

One of three possibilities:
1) The new "enemy" will be sociopolitical and we'll just get a slice-of-life story.
2) Humanity gets visited by the First Ancestral Race and shit hits the fan.
3) There is another World War and Eva goes all G Gundam on us.

17 year old Aska? :spooge:

Older Asuka + Older Rei=HELLO DOUJINSHI!

[StriderM]

http://tinyurl.com/yvlp5r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqy9d4VXEqQ

[coolmandool]

Apparently it's a series to be serialized in Dengenki that takes place 3 years after the EVA TV series.

Non-whiny SRW Alpha 3 Shinji plz... -
Also if Shinji is badass he should possibly start taking advantage of his co-stars.... s3xually.

Seriously if Eva became week after week of testosteroned fuelled giant robot explosions followed by banging, I would likely get interested in it again....

[EvilNeil]

That blood explosion looked like wings, just for half a second! How incredibly deep and meaningful.

Why is Unit01 so green all of a sudden? Also, is it just me, or are all the voices wrong? Maybe it's just the crappy sound quality, but none of them really sounded like their characters, or seemed to be putting much effort in, either.

[Ultima]

re: Eva 2

Well shit. I honestly was not expecting that, though I should have. After all, what's the point to merely making Eva's story less confusing and making money, if you can't use it as a set up to continue the story and make more money?

Sadly, I think it'll be shit. The only one of the story possibilities that ShinAT listed that wouldn't put Eva into "ho hum" territory is no.2. And even that doesn't sound too interesting.

I'm all for finding out what happens after Third Impact, but a whole new series? Sounds like a stretch to me. Chalk me up in the "thinking this will suck" category. But I could be wrong.

[StriderM]

Oh, here

http://www.japanator.com/new-trailer-for-the-rebuild-of-evangelion-2-0-via-a-korean-cam-ninja-6715.phtml

[Utils]

This thing is so gonna be pirated the DAY of release.

[Onimaru]

oh God, there's more

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[Kenji]

Yet another "Should have been a two-to-three episode OVA" release that won't be simply because they're greedy and know they'll make a solid paycheck no matter what happens.

[Shin ATproof]

oh God, there's more

FAk1u5n4uG0

Midnight Blissed Shinji is kinda cute. Male Rei is kinda scary though.

[Shin ATproof]

Since we've been discussing Gainax giant robot shows here, figured I'd let everyone know that Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann will see region 1 DVDs in '08..for the moment ADV will be releasing a few subtitled episodes of GuLa on the Anime Network website (http://www.theanimenetwork.com/).

[ARunebugger]

I don't know if this is true or not, but some bloke got a cam of Weva 1. I saw some shots, alright quality I guess.

The only problem is that I think someone said that it's only the second half of the movie. Shit though, at least we get to see the trailer of the second one, right?

EDIT: I can't find anything concrete on it so far, so I guess I'll just have to wait for the 4kids dub. :(

[APNki]

You can find part 2 of the rebuild movie here: http://www.rei-ayanami.com/torrent/imgboard.php?res=9422

They are still trying to find part 1.

And here's a little animated gif made from the video: http://www.rei-ayanami.com/rei/imgboard.php?res=36327 :smalltran

[Onimaru]

well that just tripled my desire to see this damn thing

[APNki]

Full camrip torrent:
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=8493
600x328 XviD 1.2 raw



A higher quality version of it on ed2k here: hxxp://www.tokyo3cn.com/bbs/thread-11318-1-1.html
1h37m57s 720x480 DivX+MP3 1.09 Gig

[Mr. Pointy]

Full camrip torrent:
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=8493
600x328 XviD 1.2 raw
Been trying to get a megaupload/rapidshit of this for about 2 days now to no avail.

EDIT> NM. http://rapidshare.com/files/83201344/Rebuild_of_Evangelion_1.0_-_You_Are_Not_Alone__RAW_600x328_Xvid_.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/83203163/Rebuild_of_Evangelion_1.0_-_You_Are_Not_Alone__RAW_600x328_Xvid_.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/83204902/Rebuild_of_Evangelion_1.0_-_You_Are_Not_Alone__RAW_600x328_Xvid_.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/83205553/Rebuild_of_Evangelion_1.0_-_You_Are_Not_Alone__RAW_600x328_Xvid_.part4.rar

[APNki]

Here's the torrent for the 1.02 Gig version that was on ed2k: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=8624


[Zero-Raws] Evangelion 1.0 You are not alone CAM (1h37m57s 720x480 DivX+MP3).avi

[Patrick]

I don't typically download shakycam pirates, but in this case I'm willing to make an exception.

As for Evangelion remake, I'm somewhat of a fanboy, so I will indeed eat up anything Anno shits out. Is he doing the sequel, and is it just manga?

My "too!-sense" on End of Eva:

I really really really love this movie, this entire series. I think I love it so much, though, because it is that depressing and fucked up, confusing, infuriating.

Like telling yourself, YES, they are really killing NERV staff. YES, the entirety of Japan most of the east is GONE. YES, Shinji's depressed and warped psyche is really what's making the decision on whether or not humanity lives or dies.

I don't know if I "GET" Evangelion, but I do sort of "GET" what Anno/staff whatever were sort of feeling. In the pits of depression, sometimes you do just want to destroy humanity on a whim, abandoning everyone and everything, shoving all their hopes and possibilities for you in their face by giving up and doing the exact opposite of what everyone desires. And boy does it feel good, until you see what exactly has happened. In Shinji's case, the world ended.

And that's just that, the end result. That was his decision, and look where it got him. I don't know if I want anything beyond that fucked-up ending of End of Eva, because it is that fucked up, and in a way it is sort of like depression personified.

Anyway, seed this, dudes.

[Utils]

Is this cam rip any good? I don't mind waiting for a dvd rip.

[Patrick]

I dl'd [Zero-Raw]. No major problems for the first five minutes. No subtitles, though (but who needs 'em?).

Sound is echo-y, picture is really good, overall seems pretty good.

[Utils]

No subs? Pass.

[Patrick]

It's been a year or so since I saw the original episodes, but what I've noticed changed:

- Overall, not a whole hell of a lot. Maybe the dialogue is slightly different but, probably not by much. Everything does, however, look much nicer, crisper, clearner, cooler, prettier, whateverer. 3D is prominent.
- Less BS. Moves faster. I mean, obviously. Evangelion movies: Still breaking your mind, only faster.
- Portion when the Angel takes a whole bunch of shells/missles lengthened (I think). Missles actually drop around its body into its AT field, then explode. Recovering from N2 mine now shows his face being replaced. Very cool/gross.
- Battle with first Angel, EVA now has neon green colors on aspects of its body. Looks really cool.
- Angel actually explodes before destroying itself (and nameless portion of Japan). Also looks very cool.
- Immediately goes into Berserker, no hospital scene till later.
- After hospital scene, switches to Toji (sp?) punching Shinji.
- Uhh, urinals updated during the scene when Toji and other kid are in the Tokyo bunker.
- Angel 2 fight scene extended, Uses badass gatling gun instead of standard eva-rifle to begin with. Shinji now throws the Angel down back to city, whips out the knife /gangsta, rushes dude head on. Angel also explodes, leaves EVA01 standing motionless by itself instead of w/ other Angel
- Shinji running away extended. See him lying on the street, walking down empty roads, and is eventually caught. Seems A LITTLE MORE BRAVE. A little. Doesn't run into otaku kid.
- WAIT WAIT WAIT, did Shinji hit Toji previously?
- Angel 3 extended. Much cooler, whole thing with the Angel makes for "sense" visually. First major part of the movie that wasn't directly lifted from the anime. Shinji takes much more of a beatdown

And you should just watch the rest.
I mean, so far I haven't seen anything to report that diverts directly from the series. Shinji is still whiny and feeble (and seeing this all over again? Boy is he ever), Rei is still feeble and pale, everyone and everything is still pretty much the same, except updated. So there probably is some slight nuances within the dialogue that will HOPEFULLY accumulate to Shinji ass-fucking Misato while Asuka watches.

Watching it happen, knowing what Isaw previously and my hopes for the movies, sometimes I'm just like, OMG IS HE GONNA SAY SOMETHING IN CONFIDENCE, IS HE GONNA RISK SOMETHING? COME ON, MAN, COME ON MAN SHINJI COME ONNNN.... FUCK!

[ninjuichi]

Rumors say the movie will hit the U.S. next month. I don't know if that means a DVD release or a limited (or worldwide) theatrical release.

[Utils]

I live in New York so I can think of a good dozen art houses that would be happy to screen this.

Fuck this cam bullshit.

[Patrick]

IMDB says 22nd of February, yeah.

I don't want to hear people COOING at naked Rei (and this is a lot of naked Rei), but I suppose I don't have a choice.

[APNki]

English subs for the Zero-Raws camrip: http://rs296.rapidshare.com/files/85307725/RebuildEnglishSubs.rar

[BBCampbell]

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Would anyone want a version of EVA like this?

What the fuck?

What is that, from an episode of Sliders where all male animated characters are female and vice versa?

- Where Sakura is the one who scarred Sagat and Ryu is a nerdy salaryman who wants to be like her?

- Where Terri and Andrea Bogard team up with their friend Joan Higashi to avenge Janice Bogard's death from Grace Howard?

- Where Ranma Saotome was actually originally female and... nah, there've been like 1079079 fanfics on that already...

[D.Knight]

- Where Ranma Saotome was actually originally female and... nah, there've been like 1079079 fanfics on that already...Really? do they have images? if so where :D

[Sol Badguy Z: Slash]

What the fuck?

What is that, from an episode of Sliders where all male animated characters are female and vice versa?

- Where Sakura is the one who scarred Sagat and Ryu is a nerdy salaryman who wants to be like her?

- Where Terri and Andrea Bogard team up with their friend Joan Higashi to avenge Janice Bogard's death from Grace Howard?

- Where Ranma Saotome was actually originally female and... nah, there've been like 1079079 fanfics on that already...
WIN


*cant breathe*


so much fuckin win

[felineki]

You know, when I heard about these remake movies, the scene that I really wanted to see the new take on was the unmasked Eva-01 after the Sachiel fight. The original episode's depiction is VERY dodgy and pales in comparison to the production drawings. Then I hear that instead of fixing that scene, they decided to cut it. That pretty much killed what little enthusiasm I had for any of this new Eva stuff.

[BBCampbell]

Really? do they have images? if so where :D

Images? Of a female Ranma?

You ARE familiar with the concept for the show right?

[APNki]

The release date for the Japanese dvd is set for April 25: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-01-21/evangelion-1.0-film-gets-dvd-in-japan-in-april

[EvilNeil]

Fantastic, I think I'll wait for the DVD rip. If it's anything like FFVIIAC it'll be on the net, fansubbed on release day. As much as I desperately want to see this, I'm not really interested in a camera copy.

[Utils]

I've been saying that the entire time.

[Top Tier Neckbreaker!]

Expect another definitive revised final version in 5-10 years, and new games with new info too.

Not even a year, lol

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-03-26/eva-movie-remake-gets-theatrical-remake-of-its-own

[APNki]

Take your pick:

x264 680 MB encode:
Evangelion 1.01 - You are (not) alone (x264 704x464 AAC Surround-Stereo).mkv 680 MiB (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=16879)

Or the full DVD iso:
Evangelion 1.01 DVD - YOU ARE (Not) ALONE (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=16856)
DVD_VIDEO.ISO 6730.87 MiB
DVD_VIDEO.MDS 0.01 MiB

The DVD iso can also be downloaded here in four rar files: http://www.sharedb.info/index.php/id-MFM2RAR80fPuQ/q-ヱヴァンゲリヲン%20disc1/?range=all

[Utils]

There are so many reasons not to download that. I'll wait for a better quality encode. Or fucking SUBTITLES.

[Magitek]

There's a higher quality rip now.

http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=16916

[APNki]

Here are the updated and retimed subs that were used for the camrip: http://www.tesuji.org/tmp/Evangelion:1.01_dvd_english_subtitles.srt

The preview for the next movie is translated in this file.

[Utils]

Hey fags, make this easy for me. Is that file going to match the dvd iso?

[Onimaru]

http://i30.tinypic.com/30m5lqx.png
http://i29.tinypic.com/28ivpy9.jpg

[Utils]

So does anyone have properly timed subs yet?