Fucking SUB-ZERO

[EvilNeil]

There are a few concept sketches and renders for the new MK game up at Gamespot (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2861442,00.html) - and I rather like them. :D

Kitana looks Asian, Jax looks badass for once and Sub-Zero ...

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2002/vgnews/041502/mkda/mkda_screen010.jpg

YES.

Not sure about the big blue monster though. :S

[Shirokah]

Maaaaaaan I really want to play this! I can't wait to see how it turns out :shy

[Frietstof]

I can't really say that I like how Jax looks. He's a bit too "soldier-boy" for my liking :S
The rest looks promissing. But looks have never been a weak point of MK...

[Kadosho]

Man,cant wait for MK5 either :supergrin

[Holden]

Mk5 is currently looking more promising than KoF 2K2.

If that isn't depressing, I don't know what is.

[EvilNeil]

Goro returns ... with a COCK FOR A HEAD!

[gnort]

Can't say that I like Jax and his giant plastic arms (the gun on his back also gives me disturbing Stryker flashbacks), and I see that Cyrax has been confirmed as a character (robot ninjas are about as cool as MK:Annihilation), but apart from that, the character designs for MK5 look very L33T.

[EvilNeil]

Hopefully the gun on his back is all that remains of Kurtis FUCKING Stryker.

And does the game really need Scorpion AND Cyrax? Blah, at least Sektor would have been a different colour.

[EvilNeil]

Oh, and welcome back, Gnort. :trannie

[CEO of Dragon Punches]

didn't sektor die or somthing?

then again, just about the entire cast has died at least once.

and do you get to play as goro?

[EvilNeil]

I know Cyrax got stuck in the desert (ugh) , can't remember what happened to the red guy. Some sort of suicidal attempt to destroy something/someone?

[Kadosho]

The game artwork is just of what things may come.
So far the image that IGN.com showed of the new Scorpion (in-game sprite) is just a taste.
Midway like Namco,Capcom, are revamping the ideas of 3d games.
So far soon to be Soul Calibur will indeed be a great challenger for MK5.
Yes some of us are sayin "give up already".
But with Midway this could be a comeback. :idea:

[CEO of Dragon Punches]

in mk3 or whatever, he was stuck in the desert, and you could be him. don't know if both can happen at same time tho

[EvilNeil]

That was in UMK3, and yes, you could select him and he'd still be in the desert background as well. :|

[kyouki]

They also have some nice pics in Game Informer. The character models look very nice, as do the backgrounds. I'm really looking forward to this, although all the characters having several martial arts to switch between seems overly confusing. Also, Scorpion apparently fights primarily with weapons, while the other character fight primarily with hand to hand combat. I don't know how I feel about that.

Anyway, they said they plan on making a really good single player game, with a mission/story mode, which sounds great!

[nyarlathotep]

[quote="kyouki"] Also, Scorpion apparently fights primarily with weapons, while the other character fight primarily with hand to hand combat. I don't know how I feel about that.
[quote]

it means scorpion isn't taking as much shit as the other characters this time. i approve.

[Fenix]

They also have some nice pics in Game Informer. The character models look very nice, as do the backgrounds. I'm really looking forward to this, although all the characters having several martial arts to switch between seems overly confusing. Also, Scorpion apparently fights primarily with weapons, while the other character fight primarily with hand to hand combat. I don't know how I feel about that.

I'm guessing the several arts thing comes into play with the fact that some of them have like multiple weapons on them. Scorpion obviously has the long sword as one of his arts, and also an art with that dagger he has in one of the other promo arts.

I'm sure Kitana will have a fan closed and fan-open art, considering they're closed in that picture.

All in all, I'm kind of psyched, it looks like Boon may've ogtten his shit together at last.

-F.

[kyouki]

They also have different hand-to-hand martial arts styles. It (somewhat lamely) has giant block letters on the bottom of the screen spelling out which art you're using. I don't know, the effect just seemed kind of cheesy. I mean, you've got a super bad-assed Sub-Zero kicking the hell out of Sektor with a giant TAE KWON DO and TANG SOO DO on the bottom of the screen.

Also, different moves will produce different effects, somewhat like VF4, in that if you hit someone with a move, they may stagger, or another move might make them get dizzy and blindly stumble around for a bit. I think that is cool... I'd like to see a 3D fighting game try to do a good combo system without juggles, just to be different... although I'm sure MK5 will have juggles.

[edit] about the VF4 comparison, I meant it was somewhat like VF4's stagger system, but with other effects added in (i.e. dizzy stumbling, etc).

[joncalibur]

Al,

It was indeed Game Informer that I saw the pics from so I saw the same as you :(

I don't know. Somehow seeing Scorpion's spear on his belt on the small of his back loses that MK mysticism :\

:rolleyes:

jon

[coolmandool]

The new character designs for MK5 look interesting, especially the big ogre dude :). Blind Kenshi while undoubtedly cool seems like your generic blind swordsman dude. Check out www.mk5.org

I'm really getting excited, does anybody know any concrete details about gameplay at all. I mean, all we really know come from concept sketches and CG art, there've been no actual in-game screens shown yet, have there?

And about this multiple styles thing - will everybody turn into Alpha 2 gen and 2K1 Mei Li?



*edit* waitasec! Blind Kenshi looks like Solid Snake with the bandanna round his eyes. *gasp*

[kyouki]

If you pick up the issue of Game Informer with SCORPION!!! on the cover, they have quite a few pics in there, and very few gameplay details (changing stances, lack of dial combos, skill-based combos, story/mission mode, serious fatalities only). The graphics look nice... character models are very nice looking, but -something- doesn't seem right about them. I'm not sure what it is. Close-ups look amazing, especially Sub-Zero's model. Backgrounds so far look kind of boring.

[coolmandool]

Uh.. just one thing, where the hell is Liu Kang in these proceedings?

Or has so much time passed since MK4, that he's already in a wheel-chair.

But wait isn't Sonya in this game? Does that mean she's old and has saggy tits??

[EvilNeil]

(changing stances, lack of dial combos, skill-based combos, story/mission mode, serious fatalities only).
This can't be right - they're doing things right for once. It'll probably have a steering wheel controller to make up for it...

[kyouki]

Liu Kang dies in the intro, according to the article. :o

I'm hoping they make it so that you get a little life for each token, ala Gauntlet. That would ruin it perfectly!

[coolmandool]

Where pray tell can one find this game-informer article on da interweb?

[shiima™]

sometimes I think I know what neil likes....then he goes and does stuff like this....I can only assume its cause you liked part 2 and hope part 5 will bring back the 'feeling.'

please?

[EvilNeil]

Sorry, no.

[shiima™]

I wish we had a crying emoticon.

[EvilNeil]

It's best you're let down early, and gently. :D

[gnort]

I think it's great to see so much enthusiasm for a Mortal Kombat game, because generally people tend to be very closed-minded about the whole series. The designers have said that we need to "forget all we thought we knew about MK", and while I have learned not to believe too much of what developers have to say, it does at least indicate that they have the right frame of mind to try and revive the series.

I am a bit suspicious of the whole "multiple move set" thing, though. I suspect that if (for example) Sonya has "TAE KWON DO" and Raiden has "WING CHUN" (both in capital letters, of course), and Scorpion has the previously mentioned two styles as his selectable styles, then Scorpion will either fight like Sonya or like Raiden. Which doesn't seem to be as good as each individual character having their own unique move set. But a hell of a lot better than one move set for the entire cast, though...

[coolmandool]

Wow... I'm still excited about MK5.
I'm actually just anxious to see how they'll combine the classic MK thingos into a fully 3-D fighting game. I mean MK is 2D, always has been, so how are the projectiles and so-on going to work in the 3D environment? I really can't see how Sub-Zero or Scorpion's classic moves are going to work?

Well actually, having Sub-Zero's powers manifest themselves only in certain moves like the Mishima electric fists would be quite cool, but who knows. Oooh I;m giddy as a schoolgirl :)

[kyouki]

They mentioned that in the article actually. Boon said that they're staying away from wacky MK fantasy moves (specifically mentioning Scorpion's telepunch and Sub's freeze), and making it more like most other 3D fighters.

[coolmandool]

http://www.davesmk.com/images/mkda/gpscan.jpg

Oh god... I thought the thing about the styles written in big letters at the bottom of a screen was a joke.

Reminds me of that horribly gay AGGRESSOR bar in the MK Trilogy on N64.

[EvilNeil]

I like the backgrounds -- or rather, the scale of the backgrounds. Those big temples stretching off into the horizon, full of elaborate architecture are funky. The 'arena' stage is cool too.

Sub-Zero looks a bit of an old man in that first pic, though.

[coolmandool]

Well, looking at that concept sketch earlier on, Subby looks like he's supposed to be an old man now ?!

Rumour has it that there's going to be a new female sub-zero this time round as well. Although it hasn't been decided whether she's an enemy or a protege.

[EvilNeil]

I dunno ... I saw that Sub-Zero concept art as looking mad, grizzled and battle-hardened ... the screenshot just has him with grey, thinning hair.

[coolmandool]

I think they were trying to get 'cool ice effect (HOHO)' on his hair and it just turned out making him look like he was going bald and grey.

:idea: I've been racking my brains trying to think of who the 'new' Subby reminds me of, and I've finally remembered. BATMAN! - that's right Bruce Wayne from Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns has the same look. Even the same style of thinning hair! I'm 2002% shure that this is just one of my crazed observations that make no sense whatsoever.

PS.Why'd they bring Cyrax back... man I hated those Cyber-ninjas and their horrible power-ranger-ish designs.

[gnort]

They mentioned that in the article actually. Boon said that they're staying away from wacky MK fantasy moves (specifically mentioning Scorpion's telepunch and Sub's freeze), and making it more like most other 3D fighters.

I'm not sure that this is such a good thing. When I play a Mortal Kombat game I want to be able to freeze people and toss my blade-edged hat at people. And I'm really going to miss the telepunch. While I do see what the designers are hinting at, I seriously doubt that they have what it takes to make a technical 3D fighter like VF4 or Soul Calibur. They mustn't give up some of their core virtues in the quest to make MK a high-brow fighting game.

Also, why do they have to say that they will do all new fatalities, with none of the old ones, even the favourites, carried over? It's fine if they can think of 20 or 30 good new fatalities, but I feel they may have to go the "Kitana farts, and the opponent is so disgusted that he falls over dead" route. MK3 had new fatalities, and they all sucked. MK4 brought back a lot of the old ones, and I thought the fatalities in that game were pretty good.

[kyouki]

The one Boon mentioned had Scorpion ramming his spear (*faints*) through the opponents head, and then tearing the head off.

[edit] Also, I'm also worried that they're trying to get too realistic (ha!) with Mortal Kombat. Like Neil (I think) said before, the cool thing about MK1 was the atmosphere of being in a cheesy made-for-tv martial arts movie, and the cool thing about MK2 was the atmosphere of being in a whole other crazy evil martial arts dimension. I would think that Mortal Kombat would lose a lot of its "feel" without the bizarre special moves.

On the other hand, Boon was saying that he could think of no way to make a telepunch work in a full 3D fighter, and I think I agree there.

[EvilNeil]

Crikey.
MK3 had new fatalities, and they all sucked.
True, but they didn't suck because they were new, they sucked because they were stupid. I'm sure there were better things for Jax to do than grow to enormous heights that weren't a MK2 rehash ... I think they just went mining for wacky humour and instead struck gay.

[EvilNeil]

Yeah I think I did say that. I kind of liked MK3s APOCALYPSE DEATH HORROR ON EARTH feel too.

[kyouki]

Yeah I think I did say that. I kind of liked MK3s APOCALYPSE DEATH HORROR ON EARTH feel too.

I agree, but I felt several things ruined the atmosphere:
1) All the characters
2) Bad and/or Bizarre animation
3) No bodies??? Real nice of Shao Khan's Extermination Squads to clean the place up before your fight
4) Rendered, as opposed to digitized (MK 1) or digitized + hand drawn (MK 2) backgrounds. MK3 came out when rendered graphics still looked pretty bad, but for some reason they were popular.
5) Horrible music. House style MK mixes. :/

The only cool moment (IMO) from MK3 was when you were fighting on the street/rooftop and you saw that vortex over the tower in the background. But even that didn't match the sheer awesomeness of MK2's Vortex (with the monk levitating up and down), or the level with Kano and Sonya shackled, or the Dead Forest, or the Pit 2, etc etc etc

[EvilNeil]

Yeah MK2 was just full of brutality, horror and otherworldly mysticism. To this day I adore the look and sound of places like the Dead Pool or Living Forest.
5) Horrible music. House style MK mixes. :/

I liked one or two of the tracks - the Pit 3 had awesome music, and the Church wasn't too shabby, but I agree when it went GAY REMIX 96 it sucked.

This thread is making me want to play MK again.

[coolmandool]

This thread is making me want to play MK again.

I dlded MK2 for my SNES emulator yesterday in a fit of nostalgia.

I suck badly. Are there any combos? Why can the CPU grab me you out of anything (I realized this before, but it really struck me as annoying yesterday when I stuck out a poke high kick and the CPU grabbed me out of it!)

[Fenix]

I don't know how, but they somehow managed to remove move of the combo gameplay in the home ports of MK2. Like, in the arcade, you could do things like in the corner, jump in kick, crouching low punch, uppercut, and have it all connect, but on the home versions, it was all gay and slow so it missed.

Does anyone know where a brotha can find a decent MK2 mame rom or MK2 emu? now that mame.dk is gone, I'm lost for anything that aint CPS2.

Break a spine,
-F...

[EvilNeil]

You could do those crouch punch >uppercut combos in the Genesis MK2, but not the SNES one. Why, I have no idea.

And try Aceroms.com - they've got a big MAME section.

[Holden]

...and download at .5k per second :D

There's a part of me, the rational, thinking part, that realizes that Mortal Kombat is, was, and always has been a horrible, horrible crappy series. Then there's another part-- the capering fanboy who popped a boner when he saw Anakin dual-wielding lightsabers in the Episode II commercial-- who wants to like this game so damn much.

[gnort]

You guys all seem hell bent on downloading emulator versions of MK. What's wrong with the PC conversions? I found the PC versions of MKs 1 through 4 to be very accurate, but then again, I've never tried any console versions. Incidentally, MK might be the only fighting game series that was ported to the PC in its entirity...

And speaking of versions of MK, anyone else notice that the MK5 screenshots were from the PS2 version of the game, a console that is apparently technologically inferior and a real bitch to code for. Surely they should have shots for the XBox, which is supposed to be sixteen times more powerful and twenty-two times easier to program on?

[EvilNeil]

You guys all seem hell bent on downloading emulator versions of MK. What's wrong with the PC conversions?
I'm using Windows ME. That's what.

And besides, I like the whole deal - the rom test and dip switches and pressing '2' to pretend I'm putting coins in, oh and the cool MK2 CD offer in the attract sequence -- all crucial things I'm sure you'll agree.

[gnort]

I'm using Windows ME. That's what.

Oh, right. I'm actually running XP, and I think even fewer things run on that...

And besides, I like the whole deal - the rom test and dip switches and pressing '2' to pretend I'm putting coins in, oh and the cool MK2 CD offer in the attract sequence -- all crucial things I'm sure you'll agree.

Can't argue with that. Although I would still think that the PC version has to be better than a SNES ROM.

[Fenix]

Yeah, I actually own the PC version of MK1, 2 and 3, but not one of them will work on XP. Well, I shouldn't say that, 1 has fucked up sound, 2 runs WAY too fast, and 3 won't run at all.

I would also like to note that while I think MK3 & 4 were steaming piles of ass garbage, I really enjoyed MK1 and 2 even to this day. I'm also sure no matter what most people say about corny characters and stupid juggles, most of the world did as well.

I really have high hopes for MK5, I certainly don't expect it to hold a candle to VF4, Tekken 4, or Soul Calibur 2 as far as depth goes, but it should at lesat be fun.

I mean, people still play DoA3, don't they?

Break a spine,
-F...

[kyouki]

Hello all!
I've come back from the future with the most absolutely terrible idea for MK5:

"I think that sub-zero will have a mace or ax or an ice pick and there will probably be at least 1 weapon fatality and i hope they have tag fatalitys."

Courtesy of Gamefaqs, or as it is known in the future, THE INTERNET.

[Skullening]

LOL @ ice pick

[kyouki]

TAG FATALITYS

[coolmandool]

Why kill them once when you can kill them twice!

[Patzuek]

...or three times?!

Thread: KILLED .

[OxymoronMX]

Actually, the idea of tag fatalities sounds kind of interesting to me *hides*

[coolmandool]

NEWS!!!!

Gamespot has released a video of MK5. Somebody download that shit and post it here, coz it doesn't seem to work for me!

And I think Neil was right. There aren't unique fighters, just fighting styles.

Still, you know what they say, "don't count your gays until they come out of the closet!"

[gnort]

And I think Neil was right. There aren't unique fighters, just fighting styles.

That wasn't Neil! That was me! Me, I say! ME!

Ahem. If you're looking for the movie, you can go to mk5.org, and download a much smaller DivX version of it. I didn't find it that impressive, unfortunately...

[Fenix]

MK5 Trailers:

Last MOnth:
Stupid Scorpion Kata thing
(Found: Official Site)

Last Week:
Shitty trailer that only shows a bunch of "hits" over and over
(Found: Official Site)

Yesterday (21st):
Nice trailer that actually shows off the game in action.
(Found: Official Site)

Today (22nd):
EVen better version of yesterdays trialer that supposedly has both the new female named Mei Li, and Mavado in it. Unfortunately I haven't seen it because it's on the spot of complete gayness.
(FOund: Gayspot Complete)

Edit: Actually, apparently GSC has a crap load of MK:DA stuff that their keeping locked up.

BUt, if you're even semi interested in MK:DA get teh one that's now on the official site from yesterday (it's like 7 megs). It really rocks, the game really is shaping up like a wanna be soul calibur.

Also, according to the official site / press releases, every character is going to have 3 different fighting styles to choose from. I'm guessing the reason that everyone seems to have every style in the movies is because they are not all completed, and they're just filling out the charcters until the full styles are done (kinda like how in MK4's pre-release versions some people shared weapons). I say this only because some of the arts, Tae Kwan Do, and Mi Shu la Blah, Tai Chi, Weapon Arts, etc. . only appear in one or 2 shots, whereas snake and crane seem to be everywhere.

But all in all, I'm on the bandwagon.

-F.

[coolmandool]

YEARGGGHHHH more MK5 news! stolen from mk5.org and tmkr.com

OK, each dude has 2 weaponless fighting styles and 1 weapon based style. I reckon the reason initial shots had everyone fighting with crane was because some of the newer styles hadn't been allocated yet. Anyway Scorp currently has Hapkido, karate and ninja sword, and my other fave Subby has TKD, Shaolin fist and broad-sword. NB. the absence of crane!

The presentation menus, loading screens look slick. The 'Konquest' mode'll be Soul Calibur-esque Quest mode. There'll supposedly be enough extras considering there's a special extra's mode and Krypt mode=secret shop.

Ooh, and some of the character models look sweet. Old Subby is quite cool (hohoho!), but I still believe Kiss Shang Tsung is better than the current fag Shang Tsung prancing around.
Looks like perennial lamers Johnny Cage and kano'll also be in the game - damn. Anybody is better than those two gays- Kabal, Baraka, Sheeva, another palette swap ninja- just not Johnny cage!

Subby does have the freeze Hadoken

yearghh, looks cool, need gamecube or PS2 NOW!

[Ultima]

From Fenix:

[snip]
> EVen better version of yesterdays trialer that supposedly has both the new female named Mei Li, and Mavado in it.

"Mei Li"? Er, did anyone else think "May Lee"? I thought there was a limit on how long after another game is released (in this case, KoF2K1) that you can pass off swiping names as "coincidental".

> BUt, if you're even semi interested in MK:DA get teh one that's now on the official site from yesterday (it's like 7 megs). It really rocks, the game really is shaping up like a wanna be soul calibur.

I predict that, at best, it'll worth playing for a weekend, and at worst, it will suck horribly. MK hasn't let me down in the regard yet.

> Also, according to the official site / press releases, every character is going to have 3 different fighting styles to choose from.

Oh? I thought every character was going to be able to use every fighting style, but would only specialize (huh?) in one? I guess they changed their minds during production. This sounds somewhat more interesting, but I hope that they don't give everyone the ability to assume every style.

> But all in all, I'm on the bandwagon.

<Creepy old man from Halloween Simpsons Special>YOU'LL BEEE SOOOOOREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!</Creepy old man from Halloween Simpsons Special>

[Fenix]

Wow, righteous and unnecessary Mortal Kombat hatred!

#1 - I'm actually retarded, her name is Li Mei, so can kill the KoF2k1 refs.
#2 - From the jump, they've said everyone will have multiple individual fighting stances, read the old press releases.
#3 - Everything else you said translates to "MK = GHEY", so I won't bother replying.

-F.

[Frietstof]

The new video previously available on gamespot complete, can now be found at www.mkdeadlyalliance.com

I have to say that it looks pretty cool, moves smootly and sounds like good old MK. I'm still fearing the button layout; Five action buttons total, one of those for blocking, another one for style change. From hands-on stories, I've heard that there isn't really a system in the attack buttons; Not weak punch, Hard punch, Kick, nor High, Low, Medium attack. Hmmm.....

I like Johnny Cage btw :shy

[gnort]

I've never been much of a Johnny Cage fan, but he is one of the core characters of the series, and as such I'm glad to see him back. Same deal with Kano. I will miss Liu Kang, though.

I read in some report that the game had five attack buttons (not just five action buttons) in addition to block and stance switch. This is possible, as the game is console only, and consoles have about eight buttons available. The report also said that the five attack buttons had no real system in their layout (as Frietstof mentioned), and five random attacks times three separate stances sounds frustratingly difficult. Hopefully they will come up with a more coherent structure before the game is released. I don't like the idea of having to memorise fifteen different attacks before I can perform the basic move that I'm trying for.

[EvilNeil]

Won't FAQs and moveslists become horrible affairs to read and write?

Fireball: D,DF,F + that button at the top left (the yellow one in the middle for GC)


:S

[coolmandool]

they also said the option of having 'back' as block may be available.

I suggest this site become a Mortal Kombat fansite and play MK at higher levels.

[gnort]

I suggest this site become a Mortal Kombat fansite and play MK at higher levels.

I can just picture it:

Higher Voltage: We like Mortal Kombat. And men.

However, everything would go downhill after allegations of the game being broken, tactics being cheap and people being scrubs. Who hate to win.